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  • Originally posted by eldar View Post
    Anyway, even if drivers for linux will be released in January, I'm more than happy with that. My other questions still stand, will buying an AMD card(in particular 6950) be an overall fit for linux?
    an normal human do not know this because the 2011.1 catalyst isn't released yet

    sign an NDA join the beta program and test it by yourself.

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    • Originally posted by eldar View Post
      Well, ok, but the sales for 69xx has already started. How people are supposed to use the cards if driver support will only appear in January?
      Because those guys use the cards with Windows and a driver comes with a companion disk.
      Linux users get to stick their card in the closet and wait and pray for the day they will be able to use it to it's full capability.

      Yes, I'm a grumpy "glass is half empty" bastard (in other words, realistic).

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      • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
        Because those guys use the cards with Windows and a driver comes with a companion disk.
        Linux users get to stick their card in the closet and wait and pray for the day they will be able to use it to it's full capability.

        Yes, I'm a grumpy "glass is half empty" bastard (in other words, realistic).
        i'm really not happy about this.

        but how cares? amd think linux users are 1-2% and 1-2% can wait 1-2 months

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        • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
          i'm really not happy about this.

          but how cares? amd think linux users are 1-2% and 1-2% can wait 1-2 months
          1) Not following market trends
          2) Hidden plot with microsoft
          3) Ignorance
          4) Imperfection

          What will it be?

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          • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            i'm really not happy about this.

            but how cares? amd think linux users are 1-2% and 1-2% can wait 1-2 months
            Entirely agree, but although 1 month is ok to me, 2 months is a completely different thing, which is enough to put me away. Looks like I'm gonna be buying the card in January anyway, so let's wait and see.

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            • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              an normal human do not know this because the 2011.1 catalyst isn't released yet

              sign an NDA join the beta program and test it by yourself.
              Common, how can they sell cards with drivers only available under NDA for a selected minority!

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              • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                1) Not following market trends
                2) Hidden plot with microsoft
                3) Ignorance
                4) Imperfection

                What will it be?
                None of the above. What does a normal user need a new card for other than gaming? Nothing.

                They most probably think that good drivers = more people going Linux = more people wanting open source = open source games everybody freely gets = no more development of games as the companies get zero money = no need for newer card = ATI out of business.

                For those who do not see it, the above logic is bullshit.

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                • Originally posted by eldar View Post
                  Common, how can they sell cards with drivers only available under NDA for a selected minority!
                  come one thats the reality get it!

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                  • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                    None of the above. What does a normal user need a new card for other than gaming? Nothing.

                    They most probably think that good drivers = more people going Linux = more people wanting open source = open source games everybody freely gets = no more development of games as the companies get zero money = no need for newer card = ATI out of business.

                    For those who do not see it, the above logic is bullshit.
                    I'll give you an answer for that:

                    Nowadays, people are buying more laptops than ever, you just don't need a high-performance discrete card to play games. You want one discrete card for:

                    - Video decoding / encoding capabilites. (One of the most common uses for a graphics card nowadays).

                    - OpenCL / GPGPU programming. (Most developers want these features)

                    - High performance game playing. (Those people called as "hardcore gamers" want one)

                    For most "ordinary" people, you're not buying a card just for gaming, but also for watching videos or sometimes, do some programming (mainly if you're a Linux user ).

                    Cheers

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                    • Originally posted by evolution View Post
                      I'll give you an answer for that:

                      Nowadays, people are buying more laptops than ever, you just don't need a high-performance discrete card to play games. You want one discrete card for:

                      - Video decoding / encoding capabilites. (One of the most common uses for a graphics card nowadays).

                      - OpenCL / GPGPU programming. (Most developers want these features)

                      - High performance game playing. (Those people called as "hardcore gamers" want one)

                      For most "ordinary" people, you're not buying a card just for gaming, but also for watching videos or sometimes, do some programming (mainly if you're a Linux user ).

                      Cheers
                      And those are the features that ATI often doesn't include or at least, they're not optimized or working properly. Just going by posts here.

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                      • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                        And those are the features that ATI often doesn't include or at least, they're not optimized or working properly. Just going by posts here.
                        Yes, unfortunately I've to agree with what you said...
                        Without some workarounds and knowledgement of Linux, ATI's fglrx driver only works well for a small amount of AMD/ATI Linux users... But when it works, it doesn't give any major problems too...!

                        Cheers

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                        • Originally posted by evolution View Post
                          I'll give you an answer for that:

                          Nowadays, people are buying more laptops than ever, you just don't need a high-performance discrete card to play games. You want one discrete card for:

                          - Video decoding / encoding capabilites. (One of the most common uses for a graphics card nowadays).

                          - OpenCL / GPGPU programming. (Most developers want these features)

                          - High performance game playing. (Those people called as "hardcore gamers" want one)

                          For most "ordinary" people, you're not buying a card just for gaming, but also for watching videos or sometimes, do some programming (mainly if you're a Linux user ).

                          Cheers
                          Oh really? You need a high end card to watch a movie? For programming? You compiling with your GPU? You gaming while watching blue ray vids?

                          My old 9600GT plays anything I throw at it. My new HD5750 is in the closet waiting for AMD......

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                          • Originally posted by Mr James View Post
                            Oh really? You need a high end card to watch a movie? For programming? You compiling with your GPU? You gaming while watching blue ray vids?

                            My old 9600GT plays anything I throw at it. My new HD5750 is in the closet waiting for AMD......
                            Well, I'm not going to answer anymore to this troll... This is my final answer to you, Mr James:

                            If you're not satisfied, and your intention is to play Windows games on Linux, why don't you simply do like most ordinary people and create a dual-boot Windows-Linux solution (Linux for common-day use, Windows for playing games / some program compatibility)? Is it too hard for you?!
                            Aaaah, I forgot... Maybe you don't know how to use Linux / create a dual-boot solution at all...

                            Cheers

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                            • Originally posted by evolution View Post
                              Well, I'm not going to answer anymore to this troll... This is my final answer to you, Mr James:

                              If you're not satisfied, and your intention is to play Windows games on Linux, why don't you simply do like most ordinary people and create a dual-boot Windows-Linux solution (Linux for common-day use, Windows for playing games / some program compatibility)? Is it too hard for you?!
                              Aaaah, I forgot... Maybe you don't know how to use Linux / create a dual-boot solution at all...

                              Cheers
                              Why do you think that being able to play games on Wine is possible because of some unofficial features supported by NVIDIA? Wine relies only on OpenGL and that's all. The fact that AMD chips can't cope with that only means bugs in the drivers, nothing else. Why call guy a troll, if he just expresses his frustration, and he has an example of another manufacturer that got it all right.

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                              • Originally posted by eldar View Post
                                Why do you think that being able to play games on Wine is possible because of some unofficial features supported by NVIDIA? Wine relies only on OpenGL and that's all. The fact that AMD chips can't cope with that only means bugs in the drivers, nothing else. Why call guy a troll, if he just expresses his frustration, and he has an example of another manufacturer that got it all right.
                                Yes, but each vendor has its own way of doing OpenGL implementation... So what you're saying there isn't completely true. For many years, Wine has been more supportive of nVidia OpenGL implentation (and most people there knows it). Currently, Wine dev's are trying to solve problems related to ATI's OpenGL implementation, so, it might NOT just be a problem related to ATI drivers, but also to Wine dev's.

                                Cheers

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