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  • #31
    Originally posted by gukin View Post
    In the opening scene to Heaven, the stones on the path are lumpy, when I hit F3 (which toggles tesselation) the rocks become flat (just like on my GeForce 260)

    It appears that Tesselation is fixed at least to some degree.
    Ill have to test it as soon as it enters portage. Currently tessellation just freezes my system.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
      Erm well... Better 6x00 support and Fusion?
      Can I get better support for my 5750 first ?

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      • #33
        next release will fix some never ending story's

        i think this will be

        vsinc problems on desktop
        wine opengl fixes
        Xv fixes
        A.I.-Advance openGL crashes
        opengl speed bugs..
        gpu video acceleration


        yes 10.11 is a lame duck but 10.12 brings new stuff.


        yes yes i know only the future can save us

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
          next release will fix some never ending story's
          Reminds me of a Maple Leafs fan saying "next year"

          i think this will be

          vsinc problems on desktop
          wine opengl fixes
          Xv fixes
          A.I.-Advance openGL crashes
          opengl speed bugs..
          gpu video acceleration
          Those have been there for years, they are not a bug "they are a feature".

          yes 10.11 is a lame duck but 10.12 brings new stuff.
          More bug reports and more does-not-run benchmarks without a doubt

          yes yes i know only the future can save us
          I suppose, if you believe in reincarnation.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            Reminds me of a Maple Leafs fan saying "next year"



            Those have been there for years, they are not a bug "they are a feature".



            More bug reports and more does-not-run benchmarks without a doubt



            I suppose, if you believe in reincarnation.
            you don't need to believe in reincarnation you only need to not belive in an gtx580 and thats why i don't use nvidia cards

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              next release will fix some never ending story's

              i think this will be
              gpu video acceleration
              I think you are dreaming. Nobody, or nobody capable enough, is working on this, how could this happen then? Same bugs ever again. Let's see in 3 months, I don't want to waste any more time on that, this is depressively bad. I wil probably just remove the files. I don't like writing crap to workaround bugs nobody cares enough to fix. And I don't like keeping crap, this is terribly ashaming... and useless but growing mental disorders. I'd probably need to practise some martial art to expunge anger and hatred.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by gbeauche View Post
                I think you are dreaming. Nobody, or nobody capable enough, is working on this, how could this happen then? Same bugs ever again. Let's see in 3 months, I don't want to waste any more time on that, this is depressively bad. I wil probably just remove the files. I don't like writing crap to workaround bugs nobody cares enough to fix. And I don't like keeping crap, this is terribly ashaming... and useless but growing mental disorders. I'd probably need to practise some martial art to expunge anger and hatred.
                maybe you are right but 10.12 will have some bigger updates and i speculate what kind of stuff.

                the video stuff is easy to improve for amd they just need to fix Xv

                thats not to big.

                i personaly don't care about GPU video acceleration just buy a 80 cpu and the video runs well.

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                • #38
                  I don't agree with you Qaridarium.

                  1- I could spend about 80 for a processor, but... What happens if you're using a laptop? You simply can't upgrade your processor easilly...

                  2- Another reason for not spending for a processor (I'm aplying this case for a dual-core processor, you can do your conclusions for your processors): We're going to use our processor about 50% (If we're decoding HD1080p videos with 1 thread, this is equivalent to a 100% CPU usage in a single-core processor!), or even more than 80% (if we're using 2 threads, for a dual-core processor)...
                  This leads to less "time of life" for your processor (more CPU usage, more energy it spends).
                  Futhermore, your videos sometimes will appear glitchy (try the PlanetEarthBirds.mkv sample, for instance); if you're using multithreaded applications at the same time, they will also suffer from "perfomance glitches", because the thread management of your processor, and some of the cores are being used at the same time for the video decoding process.

                  3- I hope they fix their XvBA mess quickly, because, personally, this Catalyst 10.11 release was one of the worst releases I've ever seen from AMD/ATI (for instance, in Windows 7, my laptop's HD2600 was almost "burning", seemed a lot like I was using the OS driver for ATI in Linux... (Btw, I had a bit more luck with my desktop's HD4650 AGP, and things are working properly in both Windows 7 and Arch Linux installations...))

                  4- There's another alternative... You can spend 50/60 replacing your ATI/AMD card for a cheap discrete nVidia one, and you can get VDPAU video acceleration for your videos, without consuming energy and resources from you processor...

                  My 2c. Cheers!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by evolution View Post
                    I don't agree with you Qaridarium.
                    really i'm sure we are not so differend



                    Originally posted by evolution View Post
                    1- I could spend about 80 for a processor, but... What happens if you're using a laptop? You simply can't upgrade your processor easilly...
                    i don't have an problem with that on netbooks or cheap notebooks with slow cpus nvidia is the way to go.

                    lock we are not so differend

                    but i don't like notebooks with slow cpus..

                    if i can buy faster cpu vs an nvidia card i buy the faster cpu.

                    and most of the time the price is the same if you buy a faster amd cpu with an amd hd4250 onboard gpu.





                    Originally posted by evolution View Post
                    2- Another reason for not spending for a processor (I'm aplying this case for a dual-core processor, you can do your conclusions for your processors): We're going to use our processor about 50% (If we're decoding HD1080p videos with 1 thread, this is equivalent to a 100% CPU usage in a single-core processor!), or even more than 80% (if we're using 2 threads, for a dual-core processor)...
                    This leads to less "time of life" for your processor (more CPU usage, more energy it spends).
                    Futhermore, your videos sometimes will appear glitchy (try the PlanetEarthBirds.mkv sample, for instance); if you're using multithreaded applications at the same time, they will also suffer from "perfomance glitches", because the thread management of your processor, and some of the cores are being used at the same time for the video decoding process.
                    i'm sure my 3,6ghz E4400 and my AthelonII 3ghz itx system handle this exampel in an single theat.

                    but yes its very importand to have this patch into your kernel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1

                    without this patch all goes worst if your cpu goes near 100%






                    Originally posted by evolution View Post
                    3- I hope they fix their XvBA mess quickly,
                    catalyst 11.1 fix the tearing,vsinc,Xv bug means better video support and composit support.

                    on catalyst 11.1 +the magic 200 line kernel patch it does not matters if XvBA does not work..





                    Originally posted by evolution View Post
                    4- There's another alternative... You can spend 50/60 replacing your ATI/AMD card for a cheap discrete nVidia one, and you can get VDPAU video acceleration for your videos, without consuming energy and resources from you processor...

                    My 2c. Cheers!
                    maybe but i don't like nvidia

                    please retry your video watching with the kernel patch and the catalyst 11.1

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                    • #40
                      To Qaridarium:

                      1- My CPU isn't THAT slow. My laptop has a Core2Duo T7300@2GHz, and has more processing power than most laptop CPUs there (except higher end Core2Duos, Core i5's and Core i7's...).

                      2- In my case, Catalyst 10.11 has serious regressions in my personal laptop (with the HD2600 card, and since Catalyst 10.7, I'm not able to use H264 video decoding anymore (you can search for my posts in AMD's XvBA thread, with some screenshots included), and with latest catalyst mobile (Win7), my HD2600 was working very hot and I was having ocasional BSOD's at boot).

                      3- I'm an ATI/AMD user for more than 13 years and a proud owner of 3 ATI HD video cards; but now, my needs changed significantly. I don't play a lot of games anymore, I use Linux more often than I use Windows (I still have Windows 7 because of some programs), and now, I also want some other features such as properly video aceleration, because I watch quite a lot of HD videos and I don't want to use a fast CPU, when I can have a cheap discrete card and use it to decode my HD videos.

                      4- I don't like nVidia very much too. But because I'm using Linux more frequently, I'm really start to think changing sides... Because it seems for me nVidia cards are more featurful than ATI/AMD cards...

                      5- As an Arch Linux user, I compile my own kernels (2.6.35-zen with BFS) and I even have my personal catalyst builds (10.7 + Xorg 1.8.2). I can confirm (by myself) my system isn't messed up... When 2.6.37 arrives, I'll give another try to Catalyst (maybe 10.12 or 11.1?)...

                      Cheers

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by evolution View Post
                        To Qaridarium:

                        1- My CPU isn't THAT slow. My laptop has a Core2Duo T7300@2GHz, and has more processing power than most laptop CPUs there (except higher end Core2Duos, Core i5's and Core i7's...).

                        2- In my case, Catalyst 10.11 has serious regressions in my personal laptop (with the HD2600 card, and since Catalyst 10.7, I'm not able to use H264 video decoding anymore (you can search for my posts in AMD's XvBA thread, with some screenshots included), and with latest catalyst mobile (Win7), my HD2600 was working very hot and I was having ocasional BSOD's at boot).

                        3- I'm an ATI/AMD user for more than 13 years and a proud owner of 3 ATI HD video cards; but now, my needs changed significantly. I don't play a lot of games anymore, I use Linux more often than I use Windows (I still have Windows 7 because of some programs), and now, I also want some other features such as properly video aceleration, because I watch quite a lot of HD videos and I don't want to use a fast CPU, when I can have a cheap discrete card and use it to decode my HD videos.

                        4- I don't like nVidia very much too. But because I'm using Linux more frequently, I'm really start to think changing sides... Because it seems for me nVidia cards are more featurful than ATI/AMD cards...

                        5- As an Arch Linux user, I compile my own kernels (2.6.35-zen with BFS) and I even have my personal catalyst builds (10.7 + Xorg 1.8.2). I can confirm (by myself) my system isn't messed up... When 2.6.37 arrives, I'll give another try to Catalyst (maybe 10.12 or 11.1?)...

                        Cheers

                        i don't talk about an linux kernel 2.6.37 feature its an 2.6.38 feature.
                        but i use it with an 2.6.36 kernel packported...

                        no 10.12 will be a lame duck to... its the 11.1 2011-01-x date catalyst.


                        your hd2600 is the right card thats because the opensource driver will got shader based video acceleration for that card..

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                        • #42
                          To Qaridarium:

                          1- Yes, I know about the new CFS features you're talking about. They're currently avaiable in linux-next tree, but ONLY work with CFS CPU scheduler (I use BFS CPU scheduler, so, those upgrades don't apply to me...). And for me, CFS is still far behind the perfomance I get with BFS (at least in I/O perfomance).

                          2- Maybe I will use the OS driver, when I buy a new laptop, and put this one into "legacy use". Personally, I don't like very much the OS driver (it has a very sluggish 3D performance and some bugs I don't have with Catalyst); futhermore, it never worked properly without using a lot of workarounds... (custom PKGBUILDs, kernel compilations, configuration changes, etc.). But that's my personal opinion / feedback.

                          Cheers

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by evolution View Post
                            To Qaridarium:

                            1- Yes, I know about the new CFS features you're talking about. They're currently avaiable in linux-next tree, but ONLY work with CFS CPU scheduler (I use BFS CPU scheduler, so, those upgrades don't apply to me...). And for me, CFS is still far behind the perfomance I get with BFS (at least in I/O perfomance).
                            accuraty is not speed the feature i talked about brings you 0% more speed.

                            it just pushes the responsy timing on mouse input and keyboard input and brings accuraty at video playback means the fps does not come faster just at the right time.

                            the realtime kernel patch also does not bring more speed but why soundmaking people use that kernel??? why they don't use BFS its simple the absolute speed don't care.

                            try the CFS+200 line patch


                            Originally posted by evolution View Post
                            2- Maybe I will use the OS driver, when I buy a new laptop, and put this one into "legacy use". Personally, I don't like very much the OS driver (it has a very sluggish 3D performance and some bugs I don't have with Catalyst); futhermore, it never worked properly without using a lot of workarounds... (custom PKGBUILDs, kernel compilations, configuration changes, etc.). But that's my personal opinion / feedback.

                            Cheers
                            i test radeon and catalyst every month and the radeon is awesome exampel nexuiz works very well on the radeon driver catalyst wins on wine support for exampel its hard to get s3tc 32bit support on an 64bit system--- the radeon wins on usability and watching videos Xv works perfect and vsinc work perfekt.

                            so catalyst isn't a clear winner.. catalyst in my daily usage only wins in wine support.

                            but yes the catalyst 11.1 brings "Global Vsinc" or amd's marketing speak "tearing free desktop" but this only means vsinc works at the first time on the desktop.

                            the radeon driver have this for years now.

                            i don'T do much for the radeon driver just an 2.6.37 kernel+xorg-edgers ppa

                            the only problem is you need to reinstall the system if you wana test catalyst...

                            now i have 2 harddrives 1 with the radeon and one with the catalyst

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                            • #44
                              To Qaridarium:

                              1- About the 200+ line patch, I prefer to have my 2.6.35 ZEN kernel with a relative stable perfomance + BFS (have you ever tried it? BFS works very well at high I/O / CPU usage) rather than a "mainline" kernel with patches that MIGHT lead to kernel panic.
                              I'll try 2.6.37 ZEN when it becomes stable (it will have those patches almost for sure), I promise!

                              2- I've tested radeon in the last 3 months, and...

                              As I said in my previous posts, I don't play too much games, BUT, the ones I play in Linux need some graphics power: ETQW, Quake4, UT2k4, Nexuiz and some arcade games using SDLMAME. As you know, most of these games need fast 3D drivers, and Mesa is still far, far away of Catalyst in terms of raw perfomance...
                              Futhermore, GLSL is still a bit messy in Mesa, and I hate to play games without GLSL (it seems like I'm playing a game from the end of the last century)...

                              3- My personal laptop has a lot of documents, so, I'm not very keen on messing up my system (now that it's working +/- properly for some time). I already have done it a lot of times in the past...

                              But, btw, thanks for your advice, Qaridarium...
                              Cheers!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by evolution View Post
                                To Qaridarium:
                                1- About the 200+ line patch, I prefer to have my 2.6.35 ZEN kernel with a relative stable perfomance + BFS (have you ever tried it? BFS works very well at high I/O / CPU usage) rather than a "mainline" kernel with patches that MIGHT lead to kernel panic.
                                I'll try 2.6.37 ZEN when it becomes stable (it will have those patches almost for sure), I promise!
                                some of your problems are just the 2.6.35 kernel for exampel your radeon driver speed thats because you need kernel 2.6.37 for best speed

                                i don't believe in zen i think KVM is the best but yes this statement is theoretical.

                                i really like con colivas but i think its wrong to do work that does not into the mainline vanila kernel.

                                yes in the past they really should hat to use the con colivas patches the CFS is just another way to say 'fuck you' its not nice yes but BFS isn't the right way to go... BFS is like saying "fucke you to"




                                Originally posted by evolution View Post
                                2- I've tested radeon in the last 3 months, and...
                                As I said in my previous posts, I don't play too much games, BUT, the ones I play in Linux need some graphics power: ETQW, Quake4, UT2k4, Nexuiz and some arcade games using SDLMAME. As you know, most of these games need fast 3D drivers, and Mesa is still far, far away of Catalyst in terms of raw perfomance...
                                Futhermore, GLSL is still a bit messy in Mesa, and I hate to play games without GLSL (it seems like I'm playing a game from the end of the last century)...

                                your performance test is invalid because the radeon driver really needs the 2.6.37 kernel for decent speed.

                                on lastest xorg lastest mesa lastest kernel and so on the radeon runs fast on Nexuiz --very fast.

                                and your GLSL statement... the radeon is faster in GSGL than the openGL1.x part.

                                means please recheck retest your radeon stuff with .37 kernel and lastest stuff ...




                                Originally posted by evolution View Post
                                3- My personal laptop has a lot of documents, so, I'm not very keen on messing up my system (now that it's working +/- properly for some time). I already have done it a lot of times in the past...

                                But, btw, thanks for your advice, Qaridarium...
                                Cheers!

                                maybe you need an second notebook i don't use notebooks at all maybe i buy an fusion in 2011..

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