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  • #31
    Whoops, maybe the other users said the problem was introduced between 10.4 and 10.5, not between 10.5 and 10.6

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    • #32
      Originally posted by bridgman View Post
      Whoops, maybe the other users said the problem was introduced between 10.4 and 10.5, not between 10.5 and 10.6
      The odd thing is that I think you're right and that some people were reporting issues with 10.5 -> 10.6, just that I and some other unlucky people had issues with >10.4

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      • #33
        Firstly many thanks for the disucussion its been mostly helpfull but it does
        raise a number of points.
        I have been using Linux since kernel 0.96d that is since 1993. In the past
        it usually has taken at least 2 to 3 years to get a decent OS 2D plus 3D driver
        for a graphics card. As I under stand it the current OS support for the R600
        GPU's has been around for around about that length of time and is just now
        starting to hit its straps. As far as I am concerned there is no problem with
        the development delay.

        Some posters seem to have missed a bit here, what I am talking about is
        future open source support. If you wait until OS support for the 5870 to
        become stable then the card will be well and truely gone from the shops.
        There of course will be newer cheaper cards availble but still with poor or
        no open source support. So I am willing for the wait.

        I am currently working on a terrain rendering application that has
        demomstrated it will use as much triangle and texture drawing rates as one
        can throw at it and still get a below average result (Note 1). So there is a
        requirement for a better GPU. On the development machine I currently have a
        Gigabyte NVidia GTX260 superoverclock card in it. It is slightly faster then
        my Sapphire 4870 once you screw up the Antialiasing and such settings.
        Interestingly the 4870 does not slow down the frame rate at all when you
        screw up the settings the result on the screen just gets better.

        While $650 Australian is a fair bit of cash I do not have a TV or mobile
        phone, I do not go out much living in VERY rural Australia. So the
        computers are very much a central part of the entertainment outside of my
        Workshop and Railway work. I do final have a fast internet connection
        although it is still basicly dialup. Decent broadband is unlikely ever to be
        out here.

        Note 1: In Linux of course. This is on the whole a research exersize to see
        how realistic you can render a landscape. This eats Vertex's (and textures)
        like there is no tomorrow, essentially if you double the viewing distance
        the number of Vertex's goes up by a factor of between 4 and 8 a landscape
        of course being in 3 dimensions.

        Blacksmith

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        • #34
          Oops I missed a a bit I on the whole have never had much trouble with FGLRX this is the driver I currently use on my test machine (not the development machine).

          Blacksmith

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Kano View Post
            First of all it is called Bluray and when you have got a full hd display you usually want to watch full hd content. If you want to talk about Judas go to a priest. I prefer working solutions and no ideological bullshit like you.
            Judas is just a Metaphor for Betrayal no priest is needet for talk about backstabbing.

            "and when you have got a full hd display you usually want to watch full hd content."

            do you mean the DHCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) Display ?

            to buy a "High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection" Display is backstabbing to!
            your full hd content is just a DRM full-Copyprotection content means there is no HD-Content!

            "I prefer working solutions"

            you prefer to not have any opensource solution you are a FAKE linux user!

            because (vbox+windows)to cack bluray isn'T 100% opensource!

            FAKE! KANO=FAKE!

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            • #36
              I just got a i3-680 won H55 to try vaapi via open source driver, enough for you? You can not test that with ATI.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Kano View Post
                I just got a i3-680 won H55 to try vaapi via open source driver, enough for you? You can not test that with ATI.
                you fail my point there is no HD content !

                there are only fully crappy HDCP-Cloused-source-only fake-HD-Content.

                and H264 is a patented-anti-opensource fake codex to!

                you just test FAKE-Codex-Acceleration on Fake-HDCP-content.

                just FAKE!

                and yes you can'T test this fake on AMD hardware !

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                • #38
                  Look into a mirror to see a fake.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kano View Post
                    Look into a mirror to see a fake.
                    oh well show us a Real WebM VP8-gpu-acceleration solution with true opensource hd content.

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                    • #40
                      VP8 WebM Test File

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkeLgjv9W08

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Blacksmith View Post
                        Some posters seem to have missed a bit here, what I am talking about is
                        future open source support. If you wait until OS support for the 5870 to
                        become stable then the card will be well and truely gone from the shops.
                        There of course will be newer cheaper cards availble but still with poor or
                        no open source support. So I am willing for the wait.
                        According to everything that has been communicated by the ATi people and the developers working on the OSS radeon stack, the support for 5xxx hardware is progressing and will be released at some workable state rather soon, not in 2-3 years.

                        ATi has pledged to open the specs and to pay programmers to provide a basic drivers, and the remaining work is left to the community. It seems like this is the way things are working. We have most things working as well as the current Mesa limitations allow (e.g. OpenGL 3+ are Mesa-bound) with 4xxx hardware, and the community is taking over a lot of the Gallium3d work and improving the driver.

                        I can only speculate, but it seems very likely that AMD will provide enough specs and code to ensure that we will have a fully-featured open source 5xxx driver, minus the DRM-infected bits such as hardware video decoding (which will be done on shaders). It's likely that initial support will be coming soon and take a while (year?) to mature.

                        It's very likely that the performance will always trail behind the proprietary blob because it lacks 15 years of accumulated driver optimisations, but it should be usable for most work.

                        Hope that helps.

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                        • #42
                          I think long term FGLRX users have the tendency to hurt themselves, both psychologically and possible physically?

                          The man stating R600/R700 binary driver can do tearfree video is utterly bullshitting.

                          Go get an nVidia GTX 470, or wait for the GTX 460 (GF 104 Line) to come out. I will save yourself endless nights figuring out why the hell on earth a $600 dollar card cannot even play video to an acceptable quality.

                          Fglrx users: go ahead and hurt yourself, but don't drag others down your path.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                            According to everything that has been communicated by the ATi people and the developers working on the OSS radeon stack, the support for 5xxx hardware is progressing and will be released at some workable state rather soon, not in 2-3 years.

                            ATi has pledged to open the specs and to pay programmers to provide a basic drivers, and the remaining work is left to the community. It seems like this is the way things are working. We have most things working as well as the current Mesa limitations allow (e.g. OpenGL 3+ are Mesa-bound) with 4xxx hardware, and the community is taking over a lot of the Gallium3d work and improving the driver.

                            I can only speculate, but it seems very likely that AMD will provide enough specs and code to ensure that we will have a fully-featured open source 5xxx driver, minus the DRM-infected bits such as hardware video decoding (which will be done on shaders). It's likely that initial support will be coming soon and take a while (year?) to mature.

                            It's very likely that the performance will always trail behind the proprietary blob because it lacks 15 years of accumulated driver optimisations, but it should be usable for most work.

                            Hope that helps.
                            Many thanks the thread has been most helpfull. Looking around I have found the 5870 can be obtained fo around 500 dollars Aus. Currently as far as I can see there are no 2gig 5870's the 2 gig cards are 5970's which are two GPU jobs. Some thing I am not realy interested in. Also apart from installing I have never had any trouble with the FGLRX driver.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Blacksmith View Post
                              Many thanks the thread has been most helpfull. Looking around I have found the 5870 can be obtained fo around 500 dollars Aus. Currently as far as I can see there are no 2gig 5870's the 2 gig cards are 5970's which are two GPU jobs. Some thing I am not realy interested in. Also apart from installing I have never had any trouble with the FGLRX driver.
                              there are a lot of 2gb vram single gpu cards: http://geizhals.at/?cat=gra16_512&xf=132_2048

                              its very important to get the 2GB version!

                              thats because openCL can only be used effectiv if you have much vram (4gb vram should be better)

                              your project sound like ArmA2(OFP) (225kmē map 10km view) and ArmA2 need 2gb vram right now.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
                                I think long term FGLRX users have the tendency to hurt themselves, both psychologically and possible physically?
                                I think on an long term of period nvidia customers have the tendency to hurt other people around expediently opensource/linux people, both psychologically and possible physically?

                                Is RMS your next Victim or do you prefer Linus Torvalds first or mybe your next Target is Bridgman?

                                Someone should call 911 to stop you!

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