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  • #91
    Originally posted by albatorsk View Post
    But also simple things like being able to scroll in GNOME Terminal without lag. That I really miss since my nVidia days.
    Emulators... i didn't know. So d2d should be useful there.

    Gnome doesn't scroll?? I am using kde 4.4 backclear path applied, compositing is ok, windows resizing ok, video opengl ok, scrolling ok... all I see is working fine.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
      I can understand casual gamers that use wine, but for a "gamer" (plp who loves to try latest games) i cannot imagine why they use wine.
      I agree. I'm not expecting the latest and greatest DirectX 10 or 11 games to run great, if at all, through Wine.

      Anyway, the common error is to use wine incompatibilities (before wine 1.2 and fglrx 10.5 XD) with ati to blame ati opengl 3d performance. This is just ignorance.
      I am what you would probably call a casual gamer. Maybe I'll fire up a game once or twice a week or so.

      In this specific case it's Homeworld 2. A truly marvelous 3D RTS. The thing is, I never did finish it back in the day so I thought I'd give it a whirl. On my 8800 it ran supersmooth. It was a joy to play. Unfortunately, it's not so on my 4870.

      I'm not laying all my blame on AMD. They have clearly improved their driver a lot the last few years. But the fact is that they have been so far behind for so long that even with their huge improvements, they're not quite there yet.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
        Emulators... i didn't know. So d2d should be useful there.

        Gnome doesn't scroll?? I am using kde 4.4 backclear path applied, compositing is ok, windows resizing ok, video opengl ok, scrolling ok... all I see is working fine.

        Not to hijack, but can you briefly clue me in as to what backclear is/was?

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        • #94
          Fglrx is slow resizing windows on desktops that use compositing.

          It is said that is xorg fault and not totally fglrx. Anyway the error is this:

          https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lu...6?comments=all

          You have to update your xorg using this ppa:

          https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-wey...ver-nobackfill

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          • #95
            Originally posted by albatorsk View Post
            I agree. I'm not expecting the latest and greatest DirectX 10 or 11 games to run great, if at all, through Wine.



            I am what you would probably call a casual gamer. Maybe I'll fire up a game once or twice a week or so.

            In this specific case it's Homeworld 2. A truly marvelous 3D RTS. The thing is, I never did finish it back in the day so I thought I'd give it a whirl. On my 8800 it ran supersmooth. It was a joy to play. Unfortunately, it's not so on my 4870.

            I'm not laying all my blame on AMD. They have clearly improved their driver a lot the last few years. But the fact is that they have been so far behind for so long that even with their huge improvements, they're not quite there yet.
            So, based on your homeworld 2 experience ati has to improve its 3d opengl, yeah, as I said this is just ...

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
              So, based on your homeworld 2 experience ati has to improve its 3d opengl, yeah, as I said this is just ...
              Sigh. I gave an example. One out of many. I'll refrain from doing that in the future.

              All hail AMD. Thou shalt not be criticized. You art perfect and everything not right is someone else's fault.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                No, it just means that you're barking up the wrong tree.

                You should complain to the WINE people.

                The argument that a linux driver is not good because an emulator doesn't run Windows games flawlessly is not a good one, especially since it runs all LINUX games without problems.
                I'm sorry but that's not a very good argument. Just because some simple Linux games run without problems on fglrx, doesn't mean there aren't any bugs in fglrx.

                I'm not saying that there aren't any bugs in wine, there sure are. But wine has also exposed a lot of bugs in the fglrx driver. And a total system crash or lockup can *never* be wine's fault, since wine is only userland code.

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                • #98
                  Can you name a native OpenGL application that doesn't work on fglrx? I've asked other people and they couldn't.

                  True, the 2D stuff is a bit dodgy on fglrx now, but I run open drivers and 2D is amazing there.

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                  • #99
                    I'm sorry but that's not a very good argument. Just because some simple Linux games run without problems on fglrx, doesn't mean there aren't any bugs in fglrx.
                    I'm not saying that there are no bugs in fglrx! But Wine is known for using nVidia workarounds which cannot (shouldn't) work in the first place on different hardware.

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                    • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                      Can you name a native OpenGL application that doesn't work on fglrx? I've asked other people and they couldn't.
                      Yes. Last time I tried gnome-shell with fglrx it was broken. It did work fine with the oss r600 driver however.

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                      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        Can you name a native OpenGL application that doesn't work on fglrx? I've asked other people and they couldn't.
                        What good would that do? How would I know if there's a bug in the application or if it's in fglrx?

                        Anyway, here's what glChess is supposed to look like: http://live.gnome.org/glChess?action...=glchess3d.png

                        and here's what it looks like for me: http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/1...usgnuchess.png

                        Does it work? Probably. Is that good enough of an example?

                        True, the 2D stuff is a bit dodgy on fglrx now, but I run open drivers and 2D is amazing there.
                        Unfortunately, just as little as I'd like to reboot into Windows everytime I want to play a game, I don't want to switch between the open driver and fglrx everytime I want reasonably fast 3D either.

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                        • Originally posted by albatorsk View Post
                          What good would that do? How would I know if there's a bug in the application or if it's in fglrx?
                          You should know, you are the one who are blaming linux opengl applications not work because of fglrx. Are you sure glchess is fglrx fault? Do you know of more applications?

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                          • Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                            You should know, you are the one who are blaming linux opengl applications not work because of fglrx. Are you sure glchess is fglrx fault? Do you know of more applications?
                            No, glChess was a lucky(?) guess. I just fired up the first 3D app I could find in my menu.

                            I base my previous assumptions on the fact that since switching from nVidia to AMD, the entire GUI experience has significantly declined. From slow 2D, to slow 3D to missing features such as vsynced video playback.

                            Now, IT IS POSSIBLE that it's all the fault of everybody else. Nobody writes complex applications without bugs, but somehow nVidia managed to not get stung by them.

                            The only logical conclusion I can draw by my experience is that fglrx was/is not up to par with the competition.

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                            • But surely you can admit that others apparently do not have all the same problems you do with fglrx (and may have other more serious problems with nvidia) and that their only logical conclusion is that nvidia is not up to par with the competition.

                              Adam

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                              • Originally posted by adamk View Post
                                But surely you can admit that others apparently do not have all the same problems you do with fglrx (and may have other more serious problems with nvidia) and that their only logical conclusion is that nvidia is not up to par with the competition.
                                Sure. If slow 2D, slow 3D and missing vsync on Xvideo is a common problem on nVidia hardware.

                                Now, at least the first two are essential to me. I'm willing to bet they're pretty essential to most other people as well. There are also countless threads about Xvideo and how it's broken, here on phoronix, so I'm guessing others find it quite annoying as well.

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