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  • #31
    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    Okay. I am willing to experiment with a cheap second hand card. How is the 4870 nowadays? For video/2D/3D? Does it work as good as Nvidia 9800GT/GTS 250?

    Can I watch a video/divx/dvd without tearing on both ATI drivers?

    I'm going to hold off on buying a BRAND NEW recent card for now. I can always sell either card above since there is still some demand for them.
    Obtain a RV7XX card and try it for yourself, as I suggested. I'm not in the business of making decisions for others, which is why I made that try a cheap/sme-recent card for yourself first.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hans View Post
      He is asking if he can use tear free video on both drivers. The answer should be:

      - on oss -> Yes you can watch tearfree xv videos without any problems.
      - in fglrx -> You have to use mplayer with opengl as output. Then activate vsync through amdcccle and you should be good. Using it almost every day.
      AND you have to disable ANY form of desktop compositing.. unlike with nVidia drivers...

      strictly amateur hour here...

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      • #33
        I run compiz + fglrx + totem (with default settings in Ubuntu 10.04) and have no tearing with video at all, with either an HD4200 or a HD5750. The only issue with fglrx I have is slightly slow resizing & maximising on my 5750, but it's supposedly fixable and a fairly minor issue anyway. Overall I am pretty happy with fglrx, I certainly wouldn't say it is rubbish.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by cutterjohn View Post
          AND you have to disable ANY form of desktop compositing.. unlike with nVidia drivers...

          strictly amateur hour here...
          Actually you are wrong, if you watch fullscreen and use unredirect fullscreen windows in compiz you will get tear free video in mplayer + ccc vsync.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by cutterjohn View Post
            AND you have to disable ANY form of desktop compositing.. unlike with nVidia drivers...

            strictly amateur hour here...
            Who said you have to disable compiz? It works with compiz enabled for me.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
              Actually you are wrong, if you watch fullscreen and use unredirect fullscreen windows in compiz you will get tear free video in mplayer + ccc vsync.
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              Exactly.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hans View Post
                Originally posted by bwat47
                Actually you are wrong, if you watch fullscreen and use unredirect fullscreen windows in compiz you will get tear free video in mplayer + ccc vsync.
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                Exactly.
                But given that the competition (nVidia) doesn't require work arounds just to watch tear free video I still think AMD need to keep working before I'm going to be impressed in any way.

                I'm sitting here now with a lowly 9800gt running two 24" Acer LCDs. The one on the left is currently streaming TWiT episode 251 via SMPlayer in a window (not maximised, but works just as well full screen) tear free while at the same time running Blender across the two screens and about a million other apps. No fiddling required. Just works. Starting a VLC window plays back tear free at the same time, and again, no fiddling or settings changed.

                All with Compiz enabled. In fact there's absolutely no feeling that Compiz is waying down the system in anyway. Just the way it should be.

                These days you shouldn't have to be worrying about work arounds just to get video playback the way it's meant to be. When looking at the way fglrx is moving along I'm fairly sure it'll be in a fit state 'real soon now'tm but I totally understand anyone who wants to label fglrx as amateur hour because when compared to the competition, it currently looks like it is.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                  All with Compiz enabled. In fact there's absolutely no feeling that Compiz is waying down the system in anyway. Just the way it should be.
                  compositing has always increased CPU load for me with any window manager and driver combination for me.

                  These days you shouldn't have to be worrying about work arounds just to get video playback the way it's meant to be. When looking at the way fglrx is moving along I'm fairly sure it'll be in a fit state 'real soon now'tm but I totally understand anyone who wants to label fglrx as amateur hour because when compared to the competition, it currently looks like it is.
                  If you use open drivers, then video playback is not a problem and never has been.

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                  • #39
                    But given that the competition (nVidia) doesn't require work arounds just to watch tear free video
                    Competition (nVidia) does not work well with KDE4, and since the drivers for older cards are considered legacy, they likely never will.

                    I had problems for years, until my laptop died. Don't know how it is today, but Konsole was broken when using compositing, and there were artifacts at different places.

                    nVidia's binary drivers are better than fglrx, but they are not perfect, regardless of what the fanboys spout. Binary drivers are not a solution for Linux, they are a pain in the ass and a crutch until native drivers are written.

                    It's a lot like running Office through WINE.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                      But given that the competition (nVidia) doesn't require work arounds just to watch tear free video I still think AMD need to keep working before I'm going to be impressed in any way.

                      I'm sitting here now with a lowly 9800gt running two 24" Acer LCDs. The one on the left is currently streaming TWiT episode 251 via SMPlayer in a window (not maximised, but works just as well full screen) tear free while at the same time running Blender across the two screens and about a million other apps. No fiddling required. Just works. Starting a VLC window plays back tear free at the same time, and again, no fiddling or settings changed.

                      All with Compiz enabled. In fact there's absolutely no feeling that Compiz is waying down the system in anyway. Just the way it should be.

                      These days you shouldn't have to be worrying about work arounds just to get video playback the way it's meant to be. When looking at the way fglrx is moving along I'm fairly sure it'll be in a fit state 'real soon now'tm but I totally understand anyone who wants to label fglrx as amateur hour because when compared to the competition, it currently looks like it is.
                      Well given the test made by Michael the other day, it seems nvidia has some performance decrease with compositing, while the competition (fglrx) doesn't. Sometimes he even tested an increase in performance with fglrx.

                      Also xrandr works like sh*t with nvidia (I also own a nvidia card), but works quite perfect with fglrx with compositing. I'm able to use the buildin screen utility in gnome, where I'm able to expand my desktop to a tv and have tear free video through mplayer. Thats quite enough for me.

                      I'm not trying to start a flamewar, I am just saying that nvidia isn't perfect either. They both have some issues.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Panix View Post
                        Okay. I am willing to experiment with a cheap second hand card. How is the 4870 nowadays? For video/2D/3D? Does it work as good as Nvidia 9800GT/GTS 250?

                        Can I watch a video/divx/dvd without tearing on both ATI drivers?

                        I'm going to hold off on buying a BRAND NEW recent card for now. I can always sell either card above since there is still some demand for them.
                        4870 is definitely faster than a gtx 250 and a 9800gt. I use one on my windows desktop and its great, still maxes pretty much every game at 1680x1050. I never tried gaming with linux on it though.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by antenna View Post
                          I run compiz + fglrx + totem (with default settings in Ubuntu 10.04) and have no tearing with video at all, with either an HD4200 or a HD5750. The only issue with fglrx I have is slightly slow resizing & maximising on my 5750, but it's supposedly fixable and a fairly minor issue anyway. Overall I am pretty happy with fglrx, I certainly wouldn't say it is rubbish.
                          Are you sure you just don't notice the tearing?

                          I've been to the Ubuntu forums and I'd say 90% of the people posting with ATI cards are saying they see tearing even if they try OpenGL output.

                          This is what I've said here but the ATI fanatics just criticize it but I guess they don't realize the point. There's NO consistency. There's even been some people state that maybe they are not seeing the tearing. I don't understand how the same card would have tearing yet other cards of the same model won't. If you use the same video output, same driver ver. and same or similar x-server???

                          What the other guy saying that this 'amateurish' and the Nvidia driver doesn't do this is making the point that driver STAYS CONSISTENT. You can get the same result. How come no one can understand this?!?

                          Yeah, I keep asking because there's no answer that comes up the same each time. You have to have settings A, B, NOT C and then D for crying out loud!!! Some other ATI owners of HD 4xxx cards are asserting there's tearing and yet there's some people that say, there's none. Indeed, the only thing would be to BUY a card myself but if I get tearing, that's at least $100 investment. I'm trying to be a Linux user, here. If I used Windows exclusively, I'd have already bought a card by now. If I didn't care about open source, I would have bought Nvidia long ago.

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                          • #43
                            Have you been to the nvnews.net linux forum and noticed all the complaints about XiD errors, video tearing, lack of xrandr, etc?

                            Adam

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              Are you sure you just don't notice the tearing?

                              I've been to the Ubuntu forums and I'd say 90% of the people posting with ATI cards are saying they see tearing even if they try OpenGL output.
                              Ubuntu forums is hardly the place to get reliable information. I'd say in 90% of these cases it's just user error. There are also plenty of threads there with people complaining about tearing with Nvida cards and other NVidia related problems. But I don't hear you about that. It's all ATI bad, NVidia good.

                              What the other guy saying that this 'amateurish' and the Nvidia driver doesn't do this is making the point that driver STAYS CONSISTENT. You can get the same result. How come no one can understand this?!?
                              No. It's not, see above. But you seem to be blind to the troubles people do have with NVidia cards, whether self-inflicted or not.

                              And I would hardly call myself an "ATI fanatic". I've been very critical of ATI myself many times. But I only criticize based on my own experience, not on forum messages by clueless Ubuntu users.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                                Competition (nVidia) does not work well with KDE4, and since the drivers for older cards are considered legacy, they likely never will.

                                I had problems for years, until my laptop died. Don't know how it is today, but Konsole was broken when using compositing, and there were artifacts at different places.

                                nVidia's binary drivers are better than fglrx, but they are not perfect, regardless of what the fanboys spout. Binary drivers are not a solution for Linux, they are a pain in the ass and a crutch until native drivers are written.

                                It's a lot like running Office through WINE.
                                I've actually had a horrible experience with KDE + ati myself. Kwin compositing is incredibly slow.

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