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  • Originally posted by mirv View Post
    Sadly I've tried it (not with video cards mind you) and they didn't take it back because it did "what was stated, not what was expected". I don't see many boxes with tux on it, and even then I use gentoo, so I kind of expect such stores to try screw me around.
    Well in my country, if the customer wants to return it withing the 14 days, he has the right to do so. Even if the item bought, works as expected.

    If the item has been damaged though, they can reject the return and you are not able to get any money back of course.

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    • Originally posted by Hans View Post
      Well in my country, if the customer wants to return it withing the 14 days, he has the right to do so. Even if the item bought, works as expected.

      If the item has been damaged though, they can reject the return and you are not able to get any money back of course.
      Well, countries can be different. So can stores.
      My original point was that it's not a feasible option for everybody, which is why it's kind of important to have proper reviews by people using actual cards with different drivers.
      That's half the reason I try to correct some of the misconceptions about AMD's drivers. By the same token, I can't have a go at anything from nvidia - I only have a little nettop with an ion on board, and that's soley used for watching movies.

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      • Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
        ?
        I don't consider stating problems with ATI's fglrx is bashing. If you were to announce a problem with iTunes on Windows would you consider that bashing Apple?

        Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
        Originally posted by mugginz
        If however you don't want to hear about fglrx's weaknesses then I can understand you wanting anyone with anything bad to say about it to leave.
        I enumerated you ati mainly problems. I recognize them. What hesitates me is that a non ati user learns about others problems using this forum, and then use other problems as a rule for ati bashing with no direct knowledge of fglrx functionality.
        Are you saying that problems reported by ATI users and which are acknowledged by bridgman himself don't really exist?


        Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
        Originally posted by mugginz
        This is a forum about Linux and graphics and stuff
        No, this is "Technical support and discussion of the ATI/AMD proprietary Linux driver."
        And what better place for that than on a site dedicated to the issues that surround desktop Linux.

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        • Originally posted by adamk View Post
          Sure, but all we're getting here is anecdotes, which has nothing to do with the ration of good vs. bad experiences.

          Adam
          So are you saying that fglrx is more functional and reliable than nVidia's blob?

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          • Originally posted by mugginz View Post
            So are you saying that fglrx is more functional and reliable than nVidia's blob?
            For me, absolutely. I would guess the same is true for other's as well.

            Adam

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            • Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
              Your nvidia card can not load fglrx so you don't have problems with ati propietary drivers (other than your fears with it).
              But if I'm in the market for an ATI card I think I should concern myself with the quality of its drivers, don't you?

              Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
              By the same reason you have no experience with fglrx so you cannot help to ati users with problems. There is no reason you post on an ati fglrx support forum.
              I've used it on other peoples hardware.

              And yes there is a reason to post here about fglrx's problems as well as the problems with nVidia's blob. If and when fglrx is better than nVidia's blob I'll be letting people know.

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              • Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                But if I'm in the market for an ATI card I think I should concern myself with the quality of its drivers, don't you?



                I've used it on other peoples hardware.

                And yes there is a reason to post here about fglrx's problems as well as the problems with nVidia's blob. If and when fglrx is better than nVidia's blob I'll be letting people know.
                how will you know?

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                • Originally posted by panix View Post
                  but, i'm not asking 5 years ago. I am asking now.
                  ***exactly!!!
                  :d

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                  • Originally posted by Hans View Post
                    Thats the whole problem. Many of the users in here bash fglrx without even having tried fglrx. Its like a never ending loop. Panix bashes fglrx and other folks see his posts and think thats how it is, which lead them to bash fglrx in other threads. Now then Panix see theirs threads and think that might be the truth.
                    So if an nVidia card allows VLC, mplayer, Totem, xine to playback vsynced video in a composited environment and an ATI card driven by fglrx doesn't, isn't it fine to acknowledge that?

                    So if an nVidia card doesn't support later versions of xrandr isn't it fine to acknowledge that?

                    If all of the problems are on the table, someone reading these forums can make up their own mind as to whether or not a particular feature is critical to them and purchase appropriately.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    Well guys. Fglrx isn't that bad. I think people in here are tired of telling you this. No matter what we say, you will find some issues to complain about. Issues which might even not come from an Ati user.
                    The list of issues fglrx has is fairly static and while they exist there shouldn't be any issue in stating what they are. When they're rectified this should also be stated. Omitting the full picture isn't a good thing to do.

                    Again, people say things like "fglrx is really good, works well for me" and in isolation such statements will give people the impression they can do everything they want with an ATI card. There's nothing wrong with saying what's good and bad with fglrx to provide a balanced view of the situation. Just as it's appropriate to state the good and bad of nVidia.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    I actually do have an Ati card and a nvidia card and by then have a reference. Really if I had to buy a card today, I would pick an Ati card again. Why? Because fglrx is improving very fast, and might in few month converge to a rather good blob. But the main reason is their oss driver, which is even improving faster. Hell, I look forward to use the oss drivers, when powermanagement and galium3d has been stabilized (which they might before fall?).
                    And I myself have said things along the lines of fglrx is good enough for certain situations and when the flaws it does have that are relevant to me are rectified I'll be buying an ATI card.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    Other issues like wine support with fglrx has also improved a lot since the last wine and fglrx releases. Actually my source games and guildwar works splendid. I can post you a video if you don't believe me ;-)
                    And that's more good news that's previously been mentioned elsewhere and helps to provide hope that fglrx will be really good, real soon now.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    The issue with poor 2d performance is probably fixed in fglrx 10.6.
                    I've said as much myself. Probably somewhere in this very thread.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    Last issue: Stable video decoding. <- Well that isn't that bad.
                    I agree that in isolation it's not a deal breaker for me. It is one of the straws breaking the camels back at the moment. I judge the overall landscape and when on the whole the ATI/fglrx combination is better than the nVidia/blob combination I'll be buying ATI.

                    Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                    All in all. I can say I am satisfied with fglrx.
                    Nothing wrong with stating that.

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                    • Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                      - Cuda 3.0 is better than openCL
                      Not really... cuda is proprietary whereas openCL is open. That's enough to make all the difference.
                      - VDPAU
                      AMD has this too, even intel for that matter. They just use a different name for it.

                      And FYI: My most recent nvidia nightmare was over this. I gave up on it since their drivers simply *did not work*. At least not with the hardware I was trying to use, which yes, was an 8xxx. If it wasn't a laptop, I would have chucked the card out on my lawn and run it over with a grass cutter.

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                      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        I still don't understand why we are discussing whether the forum posts on the internet somewhere are written by nvidia users or amd users. It's a useless discussion.

                        Go to your local retailer, get a graphics card, test it on your computer, and if you don't like it, give it back.

                        It will take you half a day, instead of making theories on forum posts for weeks.
                        I wish the stores around here had the return policy apparently the stores around you have.

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                        • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                          I still don't understand why we are discussing whether the forum posts on the internet somewhere are written by nvidia users or amd users. It's a useless discussion.

                          Go to your local retailer, get a graphics card, test it on your computer, and if you don't like it, give it back.

                          It will take you half a day, instead of making theories on forum posts for weeks.
                          That's usually a bad approach;
                          1) just about all stores that don't rape you on sticker price don't do refunds.
                          2) online stores take a whole lot more than half a day.

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                          • Originally posted by adamk View Post
                            For me, absolutely. I would guess the same is true for other's as well.

                            Adam
                            So how you find the tear free playback with VLC?

                            If you're using mplayer with GL output in full screen mode as the only way to get it, then it doesn't mean you can't have tear free playback, but it does seam less than completely open not to mention any caveats you're aware of with it.

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                            • Originally posted by mirv View Post
                              how will you know?
                              I'm sure you'll let me know.

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                              • Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                                So how you find the tear free playback with VLC?
                                I don't use vlc (except in Windows). Even with the little tearing that I have noticed once in a while, though, fglrx is still more functional and reliable for me than the nvidia drivers were. Unlike nvidia, at least fglrx doesn't result in a full system lockup.

                                Adam

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