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  • #16
    Originally posted by monraaf View Post
    This makes absolutely no sense. Power management is one of the things that just works with fglrx. And if you install kernel form drm-radeon-testing you also get power management with the oss drivers.
    Whatever.

    The FOSS driver and power management doesn't work according to what I read. I'm not sure about drm and I don't know if that's something everyone uses or just 'beta' (experimental) in which you can expect bugs again.

    ATI support in Linux is lousy and slow. Bottom line. You only have to read any forum in which ATI cards are used. It's absolute crap. The problem is support for either binary or FOSS progresses at a snail pace and ATI/AMD DO NOT DEVOTE ANY WORTHWHILE RESOURCES to it and people still sing the praises because they toss an open source driver into the mix. I don't consider that support.

    Nvidia might say, no one is getting our code but make sure it's working in Linux. I guess it depends on what issues/problems you're willing to tolerate.

    Power management is important because it (and the driver) may determine whether you card runs several degrees hotter than necessary and if you bought the card for the lower temps (newer ATI hardware), you might want power management working. If it works with the ATI driver, great, but I'm wondering how well. I have only read your post of the FOSS driver having power management so sorry if I don't share your optimism.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Heiko View Post
      Personally I am using three computers, all running Ubuntu 9.10 (x86_64). The computers are equipped with the following graphics cards:

      AMD HD5770 1GB

      Because I am an Ubuntu user I never have any problems with the latest and greatest kernels/xorg versions (mainly a problem for Fedora users who want the latest versions).

      The machines with HD5770 and HD4870 are also used in Windows for gaming (which works fine).
      Check the Ubuntu forums. Search '5770'. Tons of posts about problems. Not being able to boot because of blank or black screens. Needing runarounds, workarounds or scripts to just use your computer. This is a distro that ATI claims support. I guess 9.10 works with 1.7 but Ubuntu has gone to the next stable release, Lucid, 10.04, and X.org has moved on, too? But, hordes of problems/issues. I guess the workarounds are working for some (booting to safe or low graphics mode and installing the fglrx driver but still...).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Panix View Post
        Check the Ubuntu forums. Search '5770'. Tons of posts about problems. Not being able to boot because of blank or black screens. Needing runarounds, workarounds or scripts to just use your computer. This is a distro that ATI claims support.
        Why are you blaming ATI for this? Is it now their fault that Ubuntu decided to ship 10.04 with the broken UMS support for Evergreen cards?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          ATI support in Linux is lousy and slow.
          Then buy an Nvidia card and get it over with.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by monraaf View Post
            Why are you blaming ATI for this? Is it now their fault that Ubuntu decided to ship 10.04 with the broken UMS support for Evergreen cards?
            Given the level of support for Evergreen and FOSS drivers, I assumed he was talking about fglrx.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Panix View Post
              Check the Ubuntu forums. Search '5770'. Tons of posts about problems. Not being able to boot because of blank or black screens. Needing runarounds, workarounds or scripts to just use your computer. This is a distro that ATI claims support. I guess 9.10 works with 1.7 but Ubuntu has gone to the next stable release, Lucid, 10.04, and X.org has moved on, too? But, hordes of problems/issues. I guess the workarounds are working for some (booting to safe or low graphics mode and installing the fglrx driver but still...).
              Yeh, I was hoping for solid support in 10.04 with 10.4 but it seems not to be the case. I've postponed the gfx card for another two months or so in the hope of things improving and have instead bought an SSD. When the next fglrx lands if support isn't solid by then that'll mean nVidia for sure.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                Given the level of support for Evergreen and FOSS drivers, I assumed he was talking about fglrx.
                Ubuntu does not ship with fglrx installed. The default driver is the oss driver. Unfortunately for Evergreen cards that driver not very useful at the moment. On top of that Ubuntu ships with UMS for Evergreen which is known to be broken, so people get a black screen before they even get a chance to install fglrx.

                They should have just sticked to VESA for Evergreen. This is just making Ubuntu and/or ATI look bad.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                  Ubuntu does not ship with fglrx installed. The default driver is the oss driver. Unfortunately for Evergreen cards that driver not very useful at the moment. On top of that Ubuntu ships with UMS for Evergreen which is known to be broken, so people get a black screen before they even get a chance to install fglrx.

                  They should have just sticked to VESA for Evergreen. This is just making Ubuntu and/or ATI look bad.

                  Yeh but in Ubuntu fglrx is just a few clicks away (and a few crashes as well)

                  It would seem that if you use Linux then don't buy an Evergreen card yet and if you already have one then use Windows.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mugginz View Post
                    Yeh but in Ubuntu fglrx is just a few clicks away (and a few crashes as well)
                    It's very hard to click when all you've got is a black screen

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                      It's very hard to click when all you've got is a black screen
                      Not if it works until you install fglrx

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                        - If you want to use wine a lot (I will never understand this type of linux user, please boot up windows and really enjoy your games) your card should be nvidia, because wine has better support for it.
                        I have neither the time nor the inclination to acquire a Windows license and learn enough about Windows security to maintain a secure Windows system.

                        WINE could be slow and crashy running WoW, but it offered me a better experience than I had running Windows a few years back, and I am not about to go back to Windows.

                        So there really is a reason to do this, even though it may seem odd.

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                        • #27
                          The FOSS driver and power management doesn't work according to what I read. I'm not sure about drm and I don't know if that's something everyone uses or just 'beta' (experimental) in which you can expect bugs again.
                          So what are you reading?

                          If you don't know for sure, why are you spreading FUD?

                          FOSS drivers have dynamic powersaving with the vanilla 2.6.34 kernels today, and 2.6.35 will bring even better powersaving in a couple of months.

                          The drm-radeon-testing branch is indeed an experimental branch of the kernel, but parts of it get merged into the mainstream Linus kernel regularly.

                          Both the binary nVidia driver and the binary ATi driver are better at powersaving at the moment than the radeon FOSS driver, but at least try to stick to the facts, please.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                            Unfortunately for Evergreen cards that driver not very useful at the moment. On top of that Ubuntu ships with UMS for Evergreen which is known to be broken, so people get a black screen before they even get a chance to install fglrx.
                            Ubuntu fault then, what I am really interested is to know if once you installed correctly fglrx 10.4 ati evergreen system is running fine and stable?? I would love to have an evergreen to test my self.

                            I guess a lot of plp are blaming ati without having one, or without trying for them selfs. They read other people that blame too and they got infected, then an anti-ati plague is formed in phoronix phorums . Ati 4000 series, as I said, are working pretty well. And of course ati has powersave, who spread the rumor that ati doesn't have?


                            aticonfig --od-getclocks

                            Default Adapter - ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
                            Core (MHz) Memory (MHz)
                            Current Clocks : 110 250
                            Current Peak : 600 400
                            Configurable Peak Range : [300-800] [400-700]
                            GPU load : 0%

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                            • #29
                              nah! the answer is easy, in the windows 7 article Michael configured (an FirePro V8800, which is their first workstation graphics card derived from an ATI Evergreen graphics processor) and run all type of test. So I guess that ati evergreen is working fine once you install fglrx driver!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                                Ubuntu fault then, what I am really interested is to know if once you installed correctly fglrx 10.4 ati evergreen system is running fine and stable?? I would love to have an evergreen to test my self.
                                As would I but I'm not going to buy one myself given the amount of reported problems with them at the moment. While nVidia is not perfect there doesn't seem to be the same level of basic failure as there is with fglrx.

                                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                                I guess a lot of plp are blaming ati without having one, or without trying for them selfs. They read other people that blame too and they got infected, then an anti-ati plague is formed in phoronix phorums .
                                People rightly are basing their purchasing decisions on the successes and failures of others. Of course you want to know what you're getting yourself into before you buy, not after.

                                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                                Ati 4000 series, as I said, are working pretty well. And of course ati has powersave, who spread the rumor that ati doesn't have?
                                Yes but that's not a 5000 series card. To get power management there you either need to upgrade your kernel (not something everyones comfortable with) or run fglrx (again, not something everyones comfortable with )

                                Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
                                aticonfig --od-getclocks

                                Default Adapter - ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
                                Core (MHz) Memory (MHz)
                                Current Clocks : 110 250
                                Current Peak : 600 400
                                Configurable Peak Range : [300-800] [400-700]
                                GPU load : 0%

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