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  • #16
    Originally posted by krionius View Post
    tested so far, warzone2100 and tuxkart. Seems to work okay both!
    Anyone knows how to get rid of the AMD Unsupported HW icon in X?

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    • #17
      Did you try latest 10-1 driver yet?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kano View Post
        Did you try latest 10-1 driver yet?
        Thats with 10.1, yes. (read above, what i had to do to get it work)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dalingrin View Post
          Btw Bridgman, What do you do at AMD/ATI? I'm just curious; I don't have an ulterior motive.
          I'm an architect in the graphics team, so I tend to work on whatever is being planned out at the moment

          The most visible project, I guess, is managing the open source graphics driver effort.

          Originally posted by WhiteRabbit View Post
          The problem with what you suggested Bridgman about buying Linux based laptops when they are available is that they are basically non-existent.
          That's why I'm suggesting something different - go ahead and buy a Windows system, but make sure the manufacturer knows that you are buying it to run Linux and that your happiness with the system (and future purchases) will be driven by how well it works with Linux.

          Originally posted by WhiteRabbit View Post
          While you can go and buy a System76, they only provide Linux. Sure there is dell, but the only time that I saw Linux as an option for a computer built and sold by them was on a desktop,not a laptop, and even now those are very hard to come by. <snip> The only true remedy for this is to get large vendors to give us the OPTION for a Windows “License” or Linux.
          Exactly... and what I'm suggesting is the first step.
          Last edited by bridgman; 01-28-2010, 08:02 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by v8envy View Post
            Thanks for responding. Once again, I must bring up the competition. I don't know how much ATI invests in Linux compared to nv..
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            ...The rational behavior is not to threaten to buy vendor A hardware but to simply do it. It's not rational to demand vendors B or C meet various needs after buying their hardware.
            Vendor A started sooner; we're catching up. You can get twisted in knots looking for deeper meaning.

            Originally posted by v8envy View Post
            You are right, there is a disconnect. And also a vicious cycle -- nv's hardware & software stack is functional, so it gets used. Which reinforces ATI decision maker belief of zero demand for their products on Linux.
            That is a factor for app development, but not for what we're talking about here. My point is that your collective interest in purchasing new hardware for use with Linux is *not* being communicated to laptop manufacturers, which causes you problems in a wide variety of areas.

            Perversely enough, differences in Linux support have pretty much zero impact on which hardware gets designed into new laptops (decisions are based only on Windows support); that's what I'm suggesting you might want to try to change.

            Originally posted by v8envy View Post
            I don't know how to fix that, but somehow NV managed. The real fix is to figure out how they made Linux support a priority and copy that approach with ATI's decision makers.
            Already done. Takes time, but you have to admit there's been a lot of progress.

            Originally posted by v8envy View Post
            Windows users have a choice of which hardware to buy. I *WANT* a 5870. But part of the cost is giving up Linux. I'm not ready to do that just yet, so instead of handing ATI at least one sale last quarter I have to wait and see what NV wants to sell me. As I look around my office I see 7 machines with nv hardware and one decommissioned one in a corner with an ATI card. That's a potential several thousand dollars of lost revenue from one customer alone over ~3-4 years!

            In my opinion, not having mobility chipset drivers at launch is a bad idea. Once again, NV drivers support mobility chips on Windows as well as Linux. Anyone buying an ATI laptop will bitch to all within earshot about how crappy their laptop video is for the entire time they own it, as opposed to a desktop user who can simply give up, ebay their card and buy a working one.
            We have new GPU support at launch. The change is that for the last year or so we have been trying to push Linux drivers out through the hardware manufacturers rather than just offering them aftermarket. In cases where that doesn't work, the next Catalyst driver usually aligns with the launch schedule pretty well -- in cases where *that* doesn't happen we probably need to post a separate launch driver to tide new customers over until the next Catalyst release. That's what is missing now.

            Originally posted by v8envy View Post
            Open source drivers, while great for legacy hardware, will never meet my (or most power user) needs. I prefer to run new, expensive, high performance hardware. By the time open source drivers appear for it the hardware is no longer enthusiast and more budget level.
            Yep, we also believe that both proprietary and open source drivers are required. The open source drivers give easy out-of-box support for most users, and give distro vendors control over exactly what they ship and how they configure it, but proprietary drivers are able to leverage driver work done for the entire PC market, not just the Linux share... at least on the 3D side.

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            • #21
              Ok, so the big question is precisely HOW do we let the *right people* at the hardware manufacturer know that our objective is to run Linux on the hardware? And in a way where it doesn't just get the "that's nice, now run along" treatment....

              For example, I just bought two netbooks (asus w/intelpsb nightmare preloaded with windonkey7 -- would have liked to have AMD hardware, but unfortunately, AMD doesn't have any netbook hardware). The very first thing I did was wipe the thing clean -- never even booted into windonkey, straight onto a liveusb and zeroed out the disk.

              Anybody notice that netbooks have become quite terrible? Ever notice how difficult it is to get a netbook with an SSD any more? They used to *all* come with an SSD+Linux (albeit a crippled and useless linux), but now they all come with a 160GB spinning battery muncher and preloaded with windonkey.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                Ok, so the big question is precisely HOW do we let the *right people* at the hardware manufacturer know that our objective is to run Linux on the hardware? And in a way where it doesn't just get the "that's nice, now run along" treatment....

                For example, I just bought two netbooks (asus w/intelpsb nightmare preloaded with windonkey7 -- would have liked to have AMD hardware, but unfortunately, AMD doesn't have any netbook hardware). The very first thing I did was wipe the thing clean -- never even booted into windonkey, straight onto a liveusb and zeroed out the disk.

                Anybody notice that netbooks have become quite terrible? Ever notice how difficult it is to get a netbook with an SSD any more? They used to *all* come with an SSD+Linux (albeit a crippled and useless linux), but now they all come with a 160GB spinning battery muncher and preloaded with windonkey.
                I just bought an Asus laptop and am struggling with the radeon mobility hd5xxx graphics card. I booted into windows 7 once before scrapping and installing Arch Linux.

                So as you say, I want Asus to know I'm happy with the laptop but never used windows (and would have preferred a cheaper price with Linux or no OS). And I also want ATI to know that I would not buy ATI again (and would recommend friends not to buy) because in the past I've had a better experience in Linux from Nvidia cards. But despite this ATI/Asus/Microsoft have all made money, so why should they change?

                Perhaps a website to collect testimonies/experiences such as yours and mine and regularly emailing the right departments in the relevant companies?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gacrux View Post
                  Perhaps a website to collect testimonies/experiences such as yours and mine and regularly emailing the right departments in the relevant companies?
                  A website with testimonials isn't going to do it because it'll never get looked at. FYI: this forum is basically that anyways. Sure we have some people who work for hardware manufacturers around here, like Bridgman, but by and large, they tend to be geeky and don't really have the ear of those responsible for making major decisions.

                  But emailing the right departments in the relevant companies? Sure... need names, emails, phone numbers, mailing addresses. Got any? If not, chances are that it'll get into the first level customer support and the hands of some clown who doesn't know what a computer even is, and that person will scratch their head at the huge long word... "LINUX", get thoroughly confused, and dump it in the trash because they lack the intelligence or experience to forward it to the relevant place. First level customer support has heard of MS, and ***MAYBE*** apple (or maybe not). They DEFINITELY haven't the faintest idea what a LINUX might be or what a DRIVER is.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Gacrux View Post
                    And I also want ATI to know that I would not buy ATI again (and would recommend friends not to buy) because in the past I've had a better experience in Linux from Nvidia cards.
                    Why? You say yourself... "in the past". And we know with full certainty that AMD is constantly improving while NV is stagnating.... And if I'm not mistaken, the 10.3 driver should work with that card....

                    Either way, this is the main point of this thread, that if the appropriate decision makers understand that linux is IMPORTANT, then they will ensure that it is supported properly at launch.

                    FYI: I've had terrible experiences with NVIDIA cards and will DEFINITELY NOT be going there again. Not unless they can deliver proper open source drivers. Binary drivers just aren't worth the hassle or the risk.

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                    • #25
                      And if I'm not mistaken, the 10.3 driver should work with that card....
                      Yup, works well for the record.

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                      • #26
                        hi -- you all on my troubles with the sony vaio e and the mobility hd 5650 -- anyone suggest a distro that works a with core i5 and has xserver1.6 or is really easy to downgrade ? so I can test the setup with an older fglrx ?

                        will do some digging but happy to hear your help!!

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                        • #27
                          Hey, Cuppa... I have the same laptop (save the i5, but an i3). I guess we'll have to wait for another driver update, sadly.

                          I've only tried Ubuntu 10.4 Beta as of yet (no time to try anything else) and my system also segfaults at the EDID. Posted this error also at Launchpad. Dunno if that'll help, though.

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                          • #28
                            hi this is the bug I filled: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...er/+bug/544638

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                            • #29
                              Mine was somewhere in the branch section, as there was another Vaio E user present too, with the same problem.

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                              • #30
                                would be good to get everyone that has the issue to tag those bugs
                                to give them some more UUUMPH

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