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    I have been reading about this particular card and I'm intereste in it as a potential video card upgrade. I like that it is lower power consumption and I assume low heat as well.

    It would be nicer with higher level performance but should be sufficient for what I need. Also, the price is cheaper than the other newer ATI cards.

    I was wondering what this card is capable of and what is supported so far. Can I at least play movies with it without tearing if the other features aren't supported yet? I could wait and boot into Windows to play games if I did play games. What's the current update (i.e. status) with it?

    Thanks for any answers.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    I have been reading about this particular card and I'm intereste in it as a potential video card upgrade. I like that it is lower power consumption and I assume low heat as well.

    It would be nicer with higher level performance but should be sufficient for what I need. Also, the price is cheaper than the other newer ATI cards.

    I was wondering what this card is capable of and what is supported so far. Can I at least play movies with it without tearing if the other features aren't supported yet? I could wait and boot into Windows to play games if I did play games. What's the current update (i.e. status) with it?

    Thanks for any answers.
    there is no need for windowsXP..

    wine1.1.35+catalyst9.12+winetricks@HD4670:







    DirectX9c is supportet up to 99%


    "I like that it is lower power consumption and I assume low heat as well."

    there are 2 passiv cooled 5750 cards .....

    "Can I at least play movies with it without tearing"

    you can use OpenGL viedeo output to fix the tearing problem.

    the opensource driver (not yet useable for the hd5xxx card) do have good Xv.

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    • #3
      "low power consumption" is relative. The 46xx have a low power consumption and should be powerful enough for movies, compositing and older games. 5770 is only needed if you're either into 3d modeling/rendering or simply into recent games.

      To avoid tearing, you'd have to display the movie using openGL. xv will tear. I've had a bit of gfx corruption when switching to fullscreen with ogl, so I still use xv. (as a multiscreen-user, my movies will tear anyway.)
      You could try xvba, if you can get it working. I didn't bother.


      Games on windows are just beautiful with the card and a high-res monitor The 5770 is more powerful than anything in current-gen consoles (360/ps3/wii), so anything working on those consoles should run great. (unless the game was ported by a bunch of typewriter-monkeys, but let's not talk about GTA IV here)

      Games on Wine, see above. It all depends on the games, some work great, some work with minor flaws, some suffer heavy performance penalties and some don't work at all. http://appdb.winehq.org is your friend.


      I've had a few stability problems with fglrx. Not more often than previously with the nvidia drivers, but more severe: nvidia just killed the X server, fglrx hangs the whole system (thus taking a minute longer to recover). Annoying, but I only regard fglrx as a necessary evil until OS support arrives, anyway.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
        "low power consumption" is relative. The 46xx have a low power consumption and should be powerful enough for movies, compositing and older games. 5770 is only needed if you're either into 3d modeling/rendering or simply into recent games.

        OpenCL performance of a hd5xxx card will up to 6X higher than a hd4xxx card...

        AMD spoken man also says increase openCL performance for 4xxx is droped there is no plan to bring faster openCL to an hd4xxx...

        http://forums.amd.com/devforum/messa...hreadid=123857

        after that information its not a good idear to buy a hd4xxx based card if you can geht a HD5xxx based card.




        Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
        To avoid tearing, you'd have to display the movie using openGL. xv will tear. I've had a bit of gfx corruption when switching to fullscreen with ogl, so I still use xv. (as a multiscreen-user, my movies will tear anyway.)
        You could try xvba, if you can get it working. I didn't bother.
        the opensource driver will bring tearfree viedeo for Xv but yes for a hd5xxx card still not yet ready.

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        • #5
          So you expect 6/5 -> 20% more opencl speed compared to nvidia? Prove that...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kano View Post
            So you expect 6/5 -> 20% more opencl speed compared to nvidia? Prove that...
            kano you miss the point...
            i don't compare nvidia vs amd...
            i compare a 5870 vs a 4870 or an 4870x2---

            6 time faster is 'low' i think up to 10 time faster or more is true for a HD5970

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            • #7
              You can always put any number in there. Prove it!!!!

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              • #8
                It's a very nice card. The free drivers aren't ready yet though. Only really a huge concern if you're a fedora user or for philosophical reasons.

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                • #9
                  The binary drivers are not ready for fedora too.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah that was what I was implying. Unfortunately for me, I am. This is one instance I prefer to support the company for philosophical reasons ( I want free drivers, this binary BS can go to hell) over short term practicality. That and I didn't really have a choice unless I wanted to buy outdated hardware (no competition atm) or wait (not an option).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
                      "low power consumption" is relative. The 46xx have a low power consumption and should be powerful enough for movies, compositing and older games. 5770 is only needed if you're either into 3d modeling/rendering or simply into recent games.

                      To avoid tearing, you'd have to display the movie using openGL. xv will tear. I've had a bit of gfx corruption when switching to fullscreen with ogl, so I still use xv. (as a multiscreen-user, my movies will tear anyway.)
                      You could try xvba, if you can get it working. I didn't bother.


                      Games on windows are just beautiful with the card and a high-res monitor The 5770 is more powerful than anything in current-gen consoles (360/ps3/wii), so anything working on those consoles should run great. (unless the game was ported by a bunch of typewriter-monkeys, but let's not talk about GTA IV here)

                      Games on Wine, see above. It all depends on the games, some work great, some work with minor flaws, some suffer heavy performance penalties and some don't work at all. http://appdb.winehq.org is your friend.


                      I've had a few stability problems with fglrx. Not more often than previously with the nvidia drivers, but more severe: nvidia just killed the X server, fglrx hangs the whole system (thus taking a minute longer to recover). Annoying, but I only regard fglrx as a necessary evil until OS support arrives, anyway.
                      So, this card, Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 600Mhz Core 1GB. would be good if mostly into movies, videos and 3D? It's $80.

                      I guess I need to look it up to see how it compares.

                      I was curious about the issues because I am familiar with Nvidia driver installs. I can recover from black screens and 'repair' the driver settings. In other words, I'm somewhat comfortable with the issues as I think I can recover from them. I only have experience with older Radeon cards.

                      If I use full screen with an ATI card, I'll have graphics corruption? I like to watch movies in full screen (at least, sometimes) so what would that mean? Maybe it's better to get the cheaper ATI card for now?

                      I was comparing the Radeon HD 5770 and the GTS 250 (I would also consider the newer GT220M Nvidia cards) for as high end as I would go.

                      Thanks for all these replies for all who answered! Some good and interesting info continuing in this thread!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Panix View Post
                        So, this card, Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 600Mhz Core 1GB. would be good if mostly into movies, videos and 3D? It's $80.
                        Or you can wait for the 5670, supposedly it will be launched this month. But then again it will probably be only a little bit cheaper than the 5750, and the 5750 has almost twice as much shader processors.

                        I'm personally thinking about purchasing a 5750 myself, but IMHO fglrx is really not a viable option for video playback.
                        Last edited by monraaf; 01-05-2010, 01:21 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Panix View Post
                          So, this card, Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 600Mhz Core 1GB. would be good if mostly into movies, videos and 3D? It's $80.
                          should be cheaper than $80.. not sure if it's actually an "upgrade" to your current card, or why you actually want to upgrade. Care to provide more info?
                          The 5770 is more powerful than the 4670, about 2.5 the power at 2 times the power consumption.
                          IIRC the 4670 is slightly more powerful than the GT220 (but I'm sure Kano will correct me if I'm wrong ), while the 5770 blows any nvidia single-GPU card that doesn't need it's own power plant.

                          It all boils down to two questions:
                          - how much performance do you need, i.e. what do you want to do with it?
                          - would you prefer fglrx or the OS drivers?

                          The 4670 is already supported by the OS drivers which would give you tearfree video and fast 2D, but still lacks some openGL extensions. Prepare to install GIT versions to get the latest code.
                          There's also the 4770, which is about middle ground between 4670 and 5770, but it's already supported by the OS drivers. This one would have been my choice if I didn't need the third output of my 5770 (Eyefinity).

                          Originally posted by Panix View Post
                          If I use full screen with an ATI card, I'll have graphics corruption?
                          I don't know what you'll have. *I* have corruption when I press f in mplayer. If I just turn mplayer into a maximized, borderless window, it works. Fullscreen games work fine, too. Not sure what went wrong, but as I'm happy with xv I didn't bother to investigate.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kano View Post
                            The binary drivers are not ready for fedora too.
                            the phoronix forum isn't ready for kano to ;-)

                            i miss something in this theat

                            i can help you out kano..

                            Kano:"Don't buy the hd 5770 wait for a fermi or buy a renamed geforce8800 gtx310 if you need a working driver. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              So, this card, Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4650 600Mhz Core 1GB. would be good if mostly into movies, videos and 3D? It's $80.
                              if you wana save money and full featured on the todays opensource driver....

                              Buy a used 3850..... i have a 3850 and a 4670 and the 3850 is "faster" up to 30-40% ram speed 4670=27gb/s 3850=55Gb/s
                              a used 3850 is really cheap 30-40 max
                              a 3850 can handle openGL3.2------ dx10 games in wine...

                              there will goes a long time to openCL and then openCL need's a hd5xxx card.






                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              I guess I need to look it up to see how it compares.
                              I was curious about the issues because I am familiar with Nvidia driver installs. I can recover from black screens and 'repair' the driver settings. In other words, I'm somewhat comfortable with the issues as I think I can recover from them. I only have experience with older Radeon cards.
                              on the opensource driver side its just a dream get the newest ubuntu dev release 10.04 'lucid' install and all run's out of the box... lucid use mesa7.7

                              and then if you wana more crack drugs on your computer dist-upgrade to Xorg-edgers mesa 7.8 jijiiihhhhaaa :-) 'KMS,OGL2.0'




                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              If I use full screen with an ATI card, I'll have graphics corruption? I like to watch movies in full screen (at least, sometimes) so what would that mean? Maybe it's better to get the cheaper ATI card for now?
                              if you use the opensource driver no there is no corruption.

                              on the fglrx you need set the output to openGL and vsync on...





                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              I was comparing the Radeon HD 5770 and the GTS 250 (I would also consider the newer GT220M Nvidia cards) for as high end as I would go.
                              in my point of view the hd 5770 is the much better card dx11/tessellation OpenGL4 support


                              Originally posted by Panix View Post
                              Thanks for all these replies for all who answered! Some good and interesting info continuing in this thread!
                              ok... no problem i really like to talk like kano :"if you wana working driver buy nvidia"

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