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  • #16
    Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
    ...prison... Hans Reiser?
    LOL! I resisted to ask that question.

    But is there any other interesting outcome of the who downloaded it? Were there really nv and intel interested (probably yes)? How did you monitor? Just by IP address?

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    • #17
      You should assume the code will go into the 2.6.33 (hopefully) or higher kernel trees. It's often possible to patch the drm code onto a slighly older kernel, so far I think 2.6.33-on-2.6.32 is working ok (although no guarantees from the devs). It should be possible to backport the code into older kernels on a distro-by-distro basis since the addition of new HW support usually has a very low risk of breaking existing support.

      The docco download information came off the server logs; I figured it was IP address plus a reverse lookup but didn't ask.

      Apparently there were ~72,000 doc downloads in the first five hours... maybe 10-20 people used the documentation to work on the driver but I'm not sure what all the rest of the downloads were used for
      Last edited by bridgman; 12-22-2009, 02:57 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Louise View Post
        I guess Intel and nVidia were the first to download
        I think they both know how the ATI cards work

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bridgman View Post
          Apparently there were ~72,000 doc downloads in the first five hours... maybe 10-20 people used the documentation to work on the driver but I'm not sure what all the rest of the downloads were used for
          lol, never underestimate the data packrat mentality, you think 2 TB hard drives that are bought are actually used to store stuff that people will use on a regular basis?

          There was a article recently that showed the amount of times people accessed their saved data. IIRC it wound up being that less then 1% of all data on the harddrive was accessed more then once. If I can find the article again I'll post the link.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Louise View Post
            Now, why do I download the specs everytime AMD releases something? I know I don't understand any of it
            Because you can? Oh the joy's of open documentation...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Louise View Post
              Now, why do I download the specs everytime AMD releases something? I know I don't understand any of it
              So that whenever the 'net's down, or you're otherwise bored, you can become a top-notch graphics driver dev?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Nille View Post
                I think they both know how the ATI cards work
                I don't think so. Haven't you seen all the Larabee -> Nottobee jokes?

                I telling you, since AMD bought ATi, Intel have wanting to buy nVidia. There is just NO doubt. The only question is the price.

                And now when nVidia want to make x86 CPU's, Intel do not want another competitor, so buying nVidia is even more important.

                And with Nottobee, Intel have no choice but to buy nVidia, if they want to stay in the marked.
                Last edited by Louise; 12-23-2009, 04:15 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Louise View Post
                  I don't think so. Haven't you seen all the Larabee -> Nottobee jokes?

                  I telling you, since AMD bought nVidia, Intel have wanting to buy nVidia. There is just NO doubt. The only question is the price.

                  And now when nVidia want to make x86 CPU's, Intel do not want another competitor, so buying nVidia is even more important.

                  And with Nottobee, Intel have no choice but to buy nVidia, if they want to stay in the marked.
                  Won't happen, FTC has their claws into intel now and would pretty much crush any such idea of intel aquiring nvidia.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    Won't happen, FTC has their claws into intel now and would pretty much crush any such idea of intel aquiring nvidia.
                    Yes, I hope you are right. it would be really bad if Intel were allowed to buy nVidia.

                    Check this blog out.

                    http://www.cringely.com/2009/12/intel-will-buy-nvidia/

                    It is very scary, how much Intel is pushing to buy nVidia.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Louise View Post
                      I telling you, since AMD bought nVidia...
                      You mean AMD bought ATI right?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                        You mean AMD bought ATI right?
                        Ups. Yes. Now corrected

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Louise View Post
                          Yes, I hope you are right. it would be really bad if Intel were allowed to buy nVidia.

                          Check this blog out.

                          http://www.cringely.com/2009/12/intel-will-buy-nvidia/

                          It is very scary, how much Intel is pushing to buy nVidia.
                          Well... if intel buys nvidia... in the hours following the deal Keith P. will likely release the hardware programming manuals.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sylware View Post
                            Well... if intel buys nvidia... in the hours following the deal Keith P. will likely release the hardware programming manuals.
                            It is going to take Intel just as long as AMD to release specs. The legal review is the bottleneck, from what I could gather.

                            I'd rather see Samsung, IBM or Oracle buy nVidia.
                            Last edited by Louise; 12-23-2009, 05:39 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Louise View Post
                              It is going to take Intel just as long as AMD to release specs. The legal review is the bottleneck, from what I could gather.

                              I'd rather see Samsung, IBM or Oracle buy nVidia.
                              I don't think so. AMD has to be careful, indeed, and seeing the lag between the evil closed driver and the release of hardware programming info, they are *very very very very very* carefull.
                              Intel on the other hand does not fear anybody, they are *ways* bigger than AMD... AMD should hurry its legal review process to speed up releases of documentation/code. If they are fast enough, they will have complete and good open source support and will phase out nvidia chips from the pro market. And if they do not screw "fusion", they will storm the mass market, if intel has not bought nvidia or takes too much time to merge nvidia GPUs with their CPUs.

                              IBM could be one contender indeed... but from an open source advocate point of view, it's exactly like intel:we will have quickly the programming specs released, IBM is *huge* and a big fan of Linux. Fermi stuff is eye blinking towards IBM data crunching market. But it better be amazing (ways better than AMD), if not... I was told the power 6 is amazing for complexe data crunching that a GPU cannot do because of the constraints of shader programs.

                              Samsung? Their flat screens run GNU/Linux... and they are more electronic integrators. I don't see them taking on the complexity of modern GPUs... but that may be fresh air for samsung. If they leverage GPU power with GNU/Linux *directly* in flat panels, that could kill brands PC as we know it: domestic use of a computer seeks less cables and devices and TV DPIs are reaching those of computer flat panels.

                              oracle?????? WTF? Oracle going hardware? Able to buy after Sun deal?

                              More over, if nvidia releases the programming specs now, that would increase its value price since it would become open source friendly.

                              Everything works in our favor. The only missing bit is what microsoft will do in the shadows to hurt us.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sylware View Post
                                oracle?????? WTF? Oracle going hardware? Able to buy after Sun deal?
                                Sorry. I wrote Oracle, but I meant VMware

                                But hey why not Oracle? If they can find a way to use GPU's for databases, they probably consider buying anything they can get

                                How knows? They might even buy AMD?

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