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  • so what? if you have a good case heat isn't a problem anyway. If the PSU is a quality part it is silent at 50 or 60% load too. So it does not matter that the PSU is 'cooler'. What matters is that he is wasting away money.

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    • Originally posted by energyman View Post
      no, it does waste electricity because it is so underloaded that it runs less effective
      Yeah, so? That's completely besides the point. The point is max 80% efficiency at highest load.

      you are still doing it wrong! The watt on the package are about the OUTPUT not the INPUT!
      I don't give a rats ass about how much it draws. I only care about how much my PC needs.

      650W PSU = 650W on the package and on the system side, but it sucks 812W from the wall socket.

      In your case a 650W PSU would be way more than enough.
      Are you that retarded or am I that insightful? It's on the package how much it draws. There is a warning sticker on my 1000W PSU "warning! Socket on the wall needs to be able to deliver x or else y". You're full of shit. Unless you think that the company that actually makes PSU's knows less about their own PSU's than you do rofl.
      Last edited by V!NCENT; 08-25-2009, 02:06 AM.

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      • highest load you almost never reach. No, wrong, highest load you do never reach.

        But the average laod your box stays in most of the time is freaking inefficient. And even if you are at max load - a 650W 80+ PSU would give you the same efficiency for a lot less money.

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        • Originally posted by energyman View Post
          so what? if you have a good case heat isn't a problem anyway. If the PSU is a quality part it is silent at 50 or 60% load too. So it does not matter that the PSU is 'cooler'. What matters is that he is wasting away money.
          cooler means longer life time.

          save money on life time or save money on pay power.

          overall in my point of view everyone needs to kalkulate his own PSU..

          on my box a 550watt PSU broke Yesterday now i order an 88% Goldplus 750watt PSU...

          the 550watt was an LC-Power one not realy workstation ready and not realy ready for my system.

          DualsockelF max 32gb ram max 2vga carts max 10 harddrives witout extre controlers.

          with overclocking 300watt on CPU 300-400watt on VGA rest 100-150watt.

          overall 700-800 watt-

          why sould i buy an 300 watt PSU only becourse my normal workload is 150watt ?

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          • Originally posted by energyman View Post
            highest load you almost never reach. No, wrong, highest load you do never reach.

            But the average laod your box stays in most of the time is freaking inefficient. And even if you are at max load - a 650W 80+ PSU would give you the same efficiency for a lot less money.
            why sould i buy an 400watt PSU only to save energy for my 800watt consuming workstation's ??

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            • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
              why sould i buy an 400watt PSU only to save energy for my 800watt consuming workstation's ??
              Does your workstation peak at 800W or that's the maximum rated output of your PSU and the components consume much less?

              And vincent, stop calling other people retard or full of shit. You are the ignorant in this conversation. You are entitled to your own opinions, but when your opinions are based on commercials and rambo movies, they're not worth much. Read a fucking book, or if you hate books, especially "technical" ones, read on wikipedia some articles and get to understand HOW a PSU works, how AC/DC and power stepping is done and then come here and call us names.

              If you actually knew what you are tlaking about, and not just blowing air out you ignorant ass you'd know that THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT POWER LOSS in the conversion process itself. Read a fucking book you stupid kid, and then come here with FACTS, facts that you learned and UNDERSTOOD.

              No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment. Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis. I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.

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              • Originally posted by CNCFarraday View Post
                Does your workstation peak at 800W or that's the maximum rated output of your PSU and the components consume much less?



                No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment. Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis. I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.
                "Does your workstation peak at 800W "

                with all componennts 2 peaces of cpu 8 peaces of ram 10 peaces of hdds 2 peaces of VGAs dvd drive its the "peak" and your PSU sould handle this.

                "second hand at 50E tops"

                thats true 2 years ago i buy an 200 cart this year i buy an 100 cart and there is no need for an 50 cart...

                in my Point of view there is only 1 game for an 5870 300 cart --> ArmA2... (realy crysis is only an grafic demo.)

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                • Originally posted by CNCFarraday View Post
                  And vincent, stop calling other people retard or full of shit. You are the ignorant in this conversation. You are entitled to your own opinions, but when your opinions are based on commercials and rambo movies, they're not worth much. Read a fucking book, or if you hate books, especially "technical" ones, read on wikipedia some articles and get to understand HOW a PSU works, how AC/DC and power stepping is done and then come here and call us names.
                  Yeah because I am doing an education right now that's related to electricity and technology.

                  If you actually knew what you are tlaking about, and not just blowing air out you ignorant ass you'd know that THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT POWER LOSS in the conversion process itself. Read a fucking book you stupid kid, and then come here with FACTS, facts that you learned and UNDERSTOOD.
                  Yeah I know there is a power loss in the conversation process. I have totally not said this a million times. What are you trying to say here?

                  No wonder you bought a 500E card. You are an ignorant moron. If you really had an ounce of brain in that head, you'd figure out yourself that buying a 100E card now and another 100E card 4 years later would give you the same performance at less that half the investment.
                  First of all, your calling names too. Just funny to note that. Secondly I bought that card because a 100E card can't play GTA4 on max, for example So what does that say?

                  Also, you rushed in and bought the most expensive card you could find, probably to complement you e-penis.
                  I already gave four reasons why I bought it. Maybe you're the one who should read first and comment later.

                  I have a 100E ATi card that runs FarCry2 at 1680x1050, full anti-aliasing and effects with no problems. 4 Years from now, assuming that all games aren't retarded console ports shit from EA, I'll buy a 4870x2 like your own, second hand at 50E tops.
                  Cool. What about Colin McRae Dirt, GTA4, Brothers In Arms; Hell's Highway, Red Alert 3, Race Driver; GRID and Unreal Tournament 3? Yeah thought so too.

                  So come back to me if you have something to say, OK?

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                  • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    First of all, your calling names too. Just funny to note that. Secondly I bought that card because a 100E card can't play GTA4 on max, for example So what does that say?
                    Mostly that you value games pretty damn high.

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                    • Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                      Mostly that you value games pretty damn high.
                      Yeah I know. Damn Windows only games >.< I am working on a solution for that, but first I have to have OpenCL support for my ATI card :') >.<

                      PS: But OpenCL is not a priority. Please fix and polish what is broken now before implementing new stuff >.<
                      Last edited by V!NCENT; 08-25-2009, 11:40 AM.

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                      • I mostly meant: 500E is a huge pile of money. If you buy a single hardware piece with that amount of money only to play games, you must value games pretty damn high. Irregardless of the operating system.

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                        • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                          cooler means longer life time.

                          save money on life time or save money on pay power.
                          my 363W cpu that powered a 250W box for several years is still going strong.
                          If you want a long lifetime, don't buy crap. Buy a quality psu (that also means: no antec).

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                          • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            "Does your workstation peak at 800W "

                            with all componennts 2 peaces of cpu 8 peaces of ram 10 peaces of hdds 2 peaces of VGAs dvd drive its the "peak" and your PSU sould handle this.
                            what cpu? and rum takes what - 4W/stick? 6W? less?

                            HDDs are ~12W max. So even if all hdds are maxed out at the same time AND your cpus AND your graphics cards AND your ram AND your other devices (aka stupid secnario that will never happen), you still don't consume 1000W. Or 800.

                            120W hdds
                            280W cpu
                            300W graphics
                            20W mobo (yes, it is really that low)
                            a bit for usb
                            a bot for other crap

                            750W. Very generously. And to reach that you have to overload the system to just get the meximum draw.

                            But as thermaltakes wattage calculator, which does give a too high result, have shown that Vincents PSU is way, way overblown.

                            Overblown means less effective
                            Overblown means money wasted.

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                            • I've got a brand spanking new bug for you guys this time. Under Ubuntu the catalyst control center pretty much want to be launched as root to make ANY changes(didn't used to care), and the super user version is setup to look for a program(to grant root privileges, might be a script dunno since it doesn't exist) called amdxdg-su.

                              It's not found in the fglrx-amdcccle .deb pakacge that's built, so you might want to edit it to start with gksu. If you need an example right click on the menu bar at the top, pick edit menus then look at say synaptic package manager entry for an example, or ANY other app from the menu that asks for root password.

                              Come on AMD, this is a n00b's bug here...
                              Last edited by cutterjohn; 08-25-2009, 03:47 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by cutterjohn View Post
                                I've got a brand spanking new bug for you guys this time. Under Ubuntu the catalyst control center pretty much want to be launched as root to make ANY changes(didn't used to care), and the super user version is setup to look for a program(to grant root privileges, might be a script dunno since it doesn't exist) called amdxdg-su.

                                It's not found in the fglrx-amdcccle .deb pakacge that's built, so you might want to edit it to start with gksu. If you need an example right click on the menu bar at the top, pick edit menus then look at say synaptic package manager entry for an example, or ANY other app from the menu that asks for root password.

                                Come on AMD, this is a n00b's bug here...
                                I encountered no such bug but I was a bit surprised by the need for superuser to configure my monitors.

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