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  • #31
    Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
    A shame, no one can send a patrol of lawyers after him to keep him quiet for a while.
    well, I suppose since he did not sign anything he does not have a valid licence to use the drivers in the first place - but I am not a lawyer

    The only problem I see is: in the past he claimed this and that great improvement 'because it was in a beta' and then it wasn't there in the final. Stuff like that hurts amd.

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    • #32
      Yeah, you're right. And they should also be perfectly allowed to drop features from final versions even if they are in betas if they consider the features not to be mature enough yet. I'd be kinda interested to read the beta NDA some day mind. but I doubt they'd want to send me one unless I actually want to sign it. (which I don't, I've antipathies towards NDA's)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by tuxdriver View Post
        Catalyst 9.8 already has 33% of the OpenGL 3.2 features.
        Corrected.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mirv View Post
          I also haven't noticed any broken vertex shaders.
          The problem is really bad performance (especially at lower resolutions) with R600 cards, even under Windows XP [2.5x slower than Direct3D]

          Crappy vertex shader performance with complex shaders and a weird issue with the memory management.

          If you have an R600 card,try the Unigine Tropics benchmark under Windows XP with both renderers (Direct3D9 and OpenGL) at a lower resolution and compare the results. With OpenGL,aside from the ridiculously low framerate,you'll get occasional freezes/stutters as a bonus.
          With D3D9 it runs really fast and smooth as silk.

          Or try to play Serious Sam 2 in OpenGL mode.
          Last edited by tuxdriver; 08-16-2009, 12:22 AM.

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          • #35
            Forget it, catalyst drivers suck hard, and I fail to see hoiw AMD can manage to stay in the GPU business with such crap drivers.

            Anyways, windows 9.8 catalyst will be out Monday, and can be had already if you know where to look. Let's just hope that the apocalypse has come and the linux catalysts actually have some sort of improvements in store, but I don't really have any hope as I gave up a couple releases ago... and especially since I've notice no mindbending chaniges inthe space-time continuum to indicate a wrinkle in the space-time continuum indicating quality AMD driver release.. [EDIT] OTOH I've noticed heightened aimless marketing BS from marketroids... along with teh supa awesome phenom ii 965 "wish we could catch up" release (2006 called and said he wants his CPUs back AMD) [/EDIT]

            Anyone have a GT280M drop in for a GT725 notebook? I need a GPU that actually has working drivers... i.e. not an AMD part

            Originally posted by nanonyme
            A shame, no one can send a patrol of lawyers after him to keep him quiet for a while.
            A Shame that no one can send a patrol of lawyers after AMD for not providing useable support for their products...
            Last edited by cutterjohn; 08-16-2009, 01:50 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by cutterjohn View Post
              Forget it, catalyst drivers suck hard, and I fail to see hoiw AMD can manage to stay in the GPU business with such crap drivers.

              Anyways, windows 9.8 catalyst will be out Monday, and can be had already if you know where to look. Let's just hope that the apocalypse has come and the linux catalysts actually have some sort of improvements in store, but I don't really have any hope as I gave up a couple releases ago... and especially since I've notice no mindbending chaniges inthe space-time continuum to indicate a wrinkle in the space-time continuum indicating quality AMD driver release.. [EDIT] OTOH I've noticed heightened aimless marketing BS from marketroids... along with teh supa awesome phenom ii 965 "wish we could catch up" release (2006 called and said he wants his CPUs back AMD) [/EDIT]

              Anyone have a GT280M drop in for a GT725 notebook? I need a GPU that actually has working drivers... i.e. not an AMD part

              A Shame that no one can send a patrol of lawyers after AMD for not providing useable support for their products...
              Ah, the trolls are back. I was already missing them...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ObiWan View Post
                Hmm there are at least 2 tests from that guy

                One with 8.65.3(ATI Open GL Version 2.1.9000)
                http://global.phoronix-test-suite.co...923-9841-16162

                and one with 8.65.4(OGL 2.1.9000)
                http://global.phoronix-test-suite.co...30-28667-14083

                The leaked one was 8.54.2(OGL 2.1.8975) not .3 or was there anonther leak i'm not aware of?
                These are all the links I found:

                fglrx 8.65.4, OpenGL: 2.1.9007, 2009-07-28 07:06, Graphics: EG CYPRESS 1024MB cypress_run
                fglrx 8.65.4, OpenGL: 2.1.9008, 2009-07-29 09:10, Graphics: EG CYPRESS 1024MB startup
                fglrx 8.65.4, OpenGL: 2.1.9003, 2009-07-30 07:27, Graphics: EG CYPRESS 8.65_full
                fglrx 8.65.3, OpenGL: 2.1.9000, 2009-07-30 10:49, Graphics: EG CYPRESS 1024MB before_full_run
                fglrx 8.65.3, OpenGL: 2.1.9000, 2009-07-30 14:20, Graphics: EG CYPRESS 1024MB try_again

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by tuxdriver View Post
                  The problem is really bad performance (especially at lower resolutions) with R600 cards, even under Windows XP [2.5x slower than Direct3D]

                  Crappy vertex shader performance with complex shaders and a weird issue with the memory management.

                  If you have an R600 card,try the Unigine Tropics benchmark under Windows XP with both renderers (Direct3D9 and OpenGL) at a lower resolution and compare the results. With OpenGL,aside from the ridiculously low framerate,you'll get occasional freezes/stutters as a bonus.
                  With D3D9 it runs really fast and smooth as silk.

                  Or try to play Serious Sam 2 in OpenGL mode.
                  Not that sadly, I really don't use windows much anymore. No reason to boot into it basically, as I don't have that much time spare to play games these days (too busy programming and watching movies when not working).
                  Is there anything else you can suggest I try? I'm just interested in if it's really the drivers that are to blame, or game engines' handling of shaders.

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                  • #39
                    just noticed that the tests with the eg cypress were done with an intel processor... kinda seems unlikely it would be from AMD testing....

                    though it is still possible someone got thier hands on a pre-production sample.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by tuxdriver View Post
                      The problem is really bad performance (especially at lower resolutions) with R600 cards, even under Windows XP [2.5x slower than Direct3D]
                      Hardly that surprising, vendors have to ship their own fast path implementations for OpenGL as far as I've heard. The good side is that if a vendor has a fast implementation on Wndows, they probably also have in Linux. (like nVidi) The bad side is that if you don't have a fast OpenGL implementation to begin with, you don't just magically get it on either platform. (like with ATi)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by AdrenalineJunky View Post
                        you have absolutely no way of knowing that.
                        i know it! there was also a PTS Profil DELL system witz 2x8core-intel and a 5870 and 64gb ram...

                        but michael delete this profil!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ObiWan View Post
                          Hmm there are at least 2 tests from that guy

                          One with 8.65.3(ATI Open GL Version 2.1.9000)
                          http://global.phoronix-test-suite.co...923-9841-16162

                          and one with 8.65.4(OGL 2.1.9000)
                          http://global.phoronix-test-suite.co...30-28667-14083

                          The leaked one was 8.54.2(OGL 2.1.8975) not .3 or was there anonther leak i'm not aware of?
                          the leaket driver was name:"8.65.0"/8.65.3 <--

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                          • #43
                            XAA? You've got to be kidding!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                              the leaket driver was name:"8.65.0"/8.65.3 <--
                              The leaked Ubuntu Driver was 8.65.2
                              (the one from the archive fglrx-8.650-ubuntu9.04-amd64only.7z)

                              at least thats what the driver calls itself on my system.

                              Code:
                              dmesg | grep fglrx
                              fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel.
                              [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 7760 MBytes.
                              [fglrx]   vendor: 1002 device: 9440 count: 1
                              [fglrx] ioport: bar 4, base 0xb000, size: 0x100
                              [fglrx] Kernel PAT support is enabled
                              [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.65.2 [Jul 14 2009] with 1 minors
                              Last edited by ObiWan; 08-16-2009, 12:35 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Heh, seems the results Qaridarium linked to have been promptly removed. ^^

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