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  • #76
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    x3 Bullsh!t
    Why don't you go use Windows with that approach, then? You get everything you paid for and I hear it works well.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      I like the smell of trolls in the morning. Always the same people bitching about the same things every chance they get. Does this forum have a 'block user' function?

      Back on topic: does anyone know if 9.6 supports EXT_geometry_shader? There were rumours that this was added in the beta, but I never got a chance to test.
      From what I heard they only increased the maximum number of geometry shader uniforms from 0 to 512 in driver 9.6, which could be seen as a sign that geometry shader support is in the works... But no actual support at the moment.

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      • #78
        I know I'm feeding the trolls, but honestly..
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        Bullsh!t. Not everyone is a Freetard. Not all of us care about "FOSS enviroments". Not even the kernel developers care about "FOSS environments". As Linus Torvalds put it: "Go suck on RMS."
        Originally posted by Linus Torvalds
        Basically, I want people to know that when they use binary-only modules,
        it's THEIR problem. I want people to know that in their bones, and I
        want it shouted out from the rooftops. I want people to wake up in a
        cold sweat every once in a while if they use binary-only modules.

        Why? Because I'm a prick, and I want people to suffer? No.

        Because I _know_ that I will eventually make changes that break modules.
        And I want people to expect them, and I never EVER want to see an email
        in my mailbox that says "Damn you, Linus, I used this binary module for
        over two years, and it worked perfectly across 150 kernel releases, and
        Linux-5.6.71 broke it, and you had better fix your kernel".

        See?

        I refuse to be at the mercy of any binary-only module. And that's why I
        refuse to care about them - not because of any really technical reasons,
        not because I'm a callous bastard, but because I refuse to tie my hands
        behind my back and hear somebody say "Bend Over, Boy, Because You Have
        It Coming To You".

        I allow binary-only modules, but I want people to know that they are
        _only_ ever expected to work on the one version of the kernel that they
        were compiled for. Anything else is just a very nice unexpected bonus if
        it happens to work.

        And THAT, my friend, is why when somebody complains about AFS, I tell
        them to go screw themselves, and not come complaining to me but complain
        to the AFS buys and girls. And why I'm not very interested in changing
        that.

        Linus

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        • #79
          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
          I like the smell of trolls in the morning. Always the same people bitching about the same things every chance they get. Does this forum have a 'block user' function?

          Back on topic: does anyone know if 9.6 supports EXT_geometry_shader? There were rumours that this was added in the beta, but I never got a chance to test.
          wrong. I defended AMD in the last couple of month. But no 2.6.29 support really pisses me off. Why shouldn't I be allowed to say that? That kernel is out for thre(!) freaking month! 2.6.28 is unsupported, 2.6.27 a pile of crap.

          And I have a good reason, why I want the latest kernels - I have problems with mtrr - but before I can even think about reporting on lkml I must be able to reproduce all the problems with the latest stable kernel - oh look, I can't.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by energyman View Post
            wrong. I defended AMD in the last couple of month. But no 2.6.29 support really pisses me off. Why shouldn't I be allowed to say that? That kernel is out for thre(!) freaking month! 2.6.28 is unsupported, 2.6.27 a pile of crap.

            And I have a good reason, why I want the latest kernels - I have problems with mtrr - but before I can even think about reporting on lkml I must be able to reproduce all the problems with the latest stable kernel - oh look, I can't.
            There's nothing to defend here or go against. AMD has made the right move to finally support Linux, and some people are just acting like jackasses. This just shows people love complaining, and would do it any way -- they complained before AMD opened up the specs, and they complain now why 3D isn't yet working perfectly in the FOSS drivers, and they complained when AMD deprecated < r500 support, and so on and so forth. The same people who complain are the people who use Linux with a Windows mindset (i.e. "just work", no consideration for other aspects). They should just... hmph, use Windows and be happy with that?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by krazy View Post
              I know I'm feeding the trolls, but honestly..
              Now you're replying with something about binary blobs to something about Free Software. My problem is not Free Software or binary blobs. My problem is drivers that don't work.

              NVidia's driver is binary too, but it works.

              Btw, isn't it funny that so many people are angry and are replying here with flamage about AMD, and you dismiss them all as trolls? Well so be it. We're all trolls. We have nothing better to do than trolling here. Which is natural since you can't do much with fglrx. NVidia owners have their hands full playing games and watching movies, so there's not much going on in the NVidia section of this forum. Explain a lot, I think.

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              • #82
                Alright I might not have the latest and greatest ATI card, but I do have a R500 in my laptop, and the open source drivers work wonders on it. I for one are happy with what ATI did by open sourcing their drivers.

                What we really need is for the latest cards' 3D to also enter the opensource driver and everyone should be fairly happy.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                  Bullsh!t. We have every right to complain since the drivers don't work correctly. We are customers. If AMD starts putting "Not suitable for Linux" stickers on their cards, THEN we won't have a right to complain.
                  Do those cards have any stickers besides the ones saying about Windows support ? If no then I fail to see your point. If they were to put a "we do not support Linux sticker" then they should do so for all the rest of OSes like Solaris, Haiku, FreeBSD GNU/Hurd etc. There is so many of those that I think there would simply be no place on the box for them

                  Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                  Not even the kernel developers care about "FOSS environments". As Linus Torvalds put it: "Go suck on RMS." We care about working products and NVidia delivers those.
                  Well ... get your facts first :
                  https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/K...iver_Statement
                  https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Lf_statement


                  Originally posted by grege View Post
                  Personally I would rather AMD stopped development of fglrx for the end user altogether (keep it for the corporate FireGL) and put resources into finishing the open source stack.

                  Well since AMD/ATI dropped support for my rs690 in the last catalyst release it really helped me ... I no longer face the "Damn maybe I should try fglrx for better performance" issue. Though I was happy with open source drivers for quite a while, yet from time to time (mostly when trying some games) I had this urge to try fglrx.

                  I think a lot of angry people here would be the same. Once there is 3d support for r600 and up in open source drivers fglrx should just be targeted at all those FireGL cards and the support for normal customer r600 r700 cards should be taken out of those.
                  Last edited by val-gaav; 06-16-2009, 07:09 AM.

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                  • #84
                    Read. I said "Now you're replying with something about binary blobs to something about Free Software."

                    Geez, READ.

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                    • #85
                      I'm sorry but I just corrected your false statement that:
                      Not even the kernel developers care about "FOSS environments". As Linus Torvalds put it: "Go suck on RMS." We care about working products and NVidia delivers those.
                      I don't see me misreading it.As for your reply in the second post (which by the way I didn't read before submiting, as it takes time to write a long post ) it states what you want and it's a fair opinion, yet you are wrong to back it up with false statement about kernel developers.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by val-gaav View Post
                        I'm sorry but I just corrected your false statement that:

                        I don't see me misreading it.As for your reply in the second post (which by the way I didn't read before submiting, as it takes time to write a long post ) it states what you want and it's a fair opinion, yet you are wrong to back it up with false statement about kernel developers.
                        Sure. That's why Linus said:

                        "Well, you do have to realize that Linux has never been an FSF project, and in fact has never even been a "Free Software" project."

                        Tell me, what has this to do with binary blobs? Again: READ. Someone wrote that Linux is about having a "FOSS environment". It's not! That's what I replied to.

                        Why are we even having this discussion?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by val-gaav View Post
                          I don't see me misreading it.As for your reply in the second post (which by the way I didn't read before submiting, as it takes time to write a long post ) it states what you want and it's a fair opinion, yet you are wrong to back it up with false statement about kernel developers.
                          Thanks for clarifying that. You saved me the time. Linux is pragmatic while RMS is more philosophical, but both dislike the use of binary-only code.

                          I the meantime, I posted a pointer to a thread that has been incredibly useful to a ton of people to get fglrx running, I suggest folks having problems take a look at it. The fglrx driver is pretty shaky: one setting off and you get a hard crash. OTOH, once you get it running it does give you good 3D accel (for 2D ONLY you are much better off with the open source drivers, even in newer chipsets)
                          Last edited by mendieta; 06-16-2009, 08:37 AM.

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                          • #88
                            Half-Life 2 Episode 2 works once again great (DX9) with wine-git! Hopefully they'll get proper video acceleration working soon...

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                            • #89
                              @RealNC

                              FOSS stands for both free software and open source. As quoted from wikipedia:
                              'F/OSS' is an inclusive term generally synonymous with both free software and open source software which describe similar development models, but with differing cultures and philosophies. 'Free software' focuses on the philosophical freedoms it gives to users and 'open source' focuses on the perceived strengths of its peer-to-peer development model. Many people relate to both aspects and so 'F/OSS' is a term that can be used without particular bias towards either camp.
                              So mind you while Linux is not a FSF project and Linus prefers to call it open source rather then free software, when you use FOSS in your statements it is just as wiki states a term to be used with both camps.
                              Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                              Linux is pragmatic while RMS is more philosophical, but both dislike the use of binary-only code.
                              This sums it up well.
                              Last edited by val-gaav; 06-16-2009, 08:55 AM.

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                              • #90
                                My HD4850 doesn't see any changes. Well, that's a good thing too ;-) nothing is broken

                                Although playing movies with compiz enabled is smooth with no issues, but when I try to rotate the cube its choppy and laggy :/ dunno why, because benchmarks shows 200fps.

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