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  • Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4670 DDR3 and Linux

    Hello,

    I am considering buying laptop with Ati HD 4670 Card on board.
    I am planning to install lastest linux system on it. However I am not sure how the support for this card look like.
    Does 3D Compiz works for it ?
    Does it have movie play problems ?

    1,5 year agro i bought Laptop with ATI HD2600 card on board and for 4 month there was no official driver for it. That day i have sworn myselfe never to buy ATI card.

    Now i am going to give ATI 1m chance. Is it worth it ? or should i go After lastest GF 9600GT so to not to have any move problems with grafic drivers ?

    thank you in advance for all opinions.

    Mac

  • #2
    Compiz works but with bugs (no 3D apps, no video, window resizing is slow as molasses, same with maximizing windows). Videos are tearing.

    Get the NVidia :P

    PS:
    I know because I'm on a Radeon HD4870.

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    • #3
      Videos are fine with OSS driver, but no 3d at all I can live with that with my new 3450, that card is so slow that 3d or not does not really matter - it is just there to test ati drivers *g* If you really want to use 3d AND play videos you could try to use opengl output - that did not always work for me however and force vsync. I prefer using xv - but I would like vdpau support of course. Nv highend cards are much better supported in most cases, some have problems however. Especially laptops can be tricky, but thats the same for fglrx.

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      • #4
        like i though
        nothing has changed during last years.

        I have seen a review of this card and performance in many games was above GF9600 so how come 3D ain't working well on this one ?

        As i understood it will be hard to run strait from box any 3d wine applications under linux including Compiz.

        What about Video under compiz .. on my current Hd2600 it is not possible to watch any movie with compiz due to annormous tearing - is it still valid for the latest ATI inventions ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by macmus View Post
          Hello,

          I am considering buying laptop with Ati HD 4670 Card on board.
          I am planning to install lastest linux system on it. However I am not sure how the support for this card look like.
          Does 3D Compiz works for it ?
          Does it have movie play problems ?

          1,5 year agro i bought Laptop with ATI HD2600 card on board and for 4 month there was no official driver for it. That day i have sworn myselfe never to buy ATI card.

          Now i am going to give ATI 1m chance. Is it worth it ? or should i go After lastest GF 9600GT so to not to have any move problems with grafic drivers ?

          thank you in advance for all opinions.

          Mac
          Using the fglrx binary driver, you have 3D and video (I'm on a 4850 here). There is no 3d support in the open-source drivers (yet.. it's being worked on).

          Windowed 3D (ie tuxracer in a window) doesn't work well because of problems with the current X stack, but works fine full screen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            Compiz works but with bugs (no 3D apps, no video, window resizing is slow as molasses, same with maximizing windows). Videos are tearing.

            Get the NVidia :P

            PS:
            I know because I'm on a Radeon HD4870.
            are you using open driver or ATI (FLGRX) ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by krazy View Post
              Using the fglrx binary driver, you have 3D and video (I'm on a 4850 here).
              what about performace is it good with Compiz ? or crapy as usual ?
              Originally posted by krazy View Post
              Windowed 3D (ie tuxracer in a window) doesn't work well because of problems with the current X stack, but works fine full screen.
              does ati know that problem, are they going to fix that ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by macmus View Post
                what about performace is it good with Compiz ? or crapy as usual ?
                No idea - I use KDE and kwin's built-in compositing which is (for me) much more stable and less buggy than compiz. I get a smooth desktop cube, wobbly windows etc though! Setting video out to X11 gives smooth composited video too.
                Originally posted by macmus View Post
                does ati know that problem, are they going to fix that ?
                Yes, and they actively are. It all relies on upcoming changes to the linux 3D stack though. See here: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=6

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                • #9
                  Setting video out to X11 - is that a joke? That's software rendering for video, who wants that?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kano View Post
                    Setting video out to X11 - is that a joke? That's software rendering for video, who wants that?
                    Sometimes, it's a feasible option depending on your CPU/cooling/noise setup and how demanding your video playback needs are.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by macmus View Post
                      Now i am going to give ATI 1m chance. Is it worth it ? or should i go After lastest GF 9600GT so to not to have any move problems with grafic drivers ?
                      I picked up an ATI 4650 because I wanted to support ATI. I ended up picking up a GF9400GT because the ATI drivers were so bad.

                      Take my advice, stick with NVidia until ATI gets the driver situation sorted.

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                      • #12
                        I have ATI HD4670 desktop, I bought in August. 2D,3D and wine work very well. The main problem is video tears. (I not test with composite)

                        I choose ATI for 2 reasons. 1- ATI documentation (drivers radeonHD and radeon). 2- Price, less power than 9600 and acelerated video (XvMC).

                        But at this moment Only Nvidia has video acelerated (VDPU).

                        Open drivers(RadeonHD and radeon) for HD4000.3000.2000,X1000 improve very fast. Now have EXA 2D, tears free in X1000,HD2000, basic 3D in X1000 and 2000.

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                        • #13
                          3D isn't working because the card is too new for OSS driver support.

                          Catalyst 9.2 seems to be working OK with my ATI Radeon Mobility 4850, but I had to turn off compiz as it was driving me nuts and causing other problems.

                          On a side note, you MAY have to resort to a basic text mode install of whatever linux you choose, as Ubuntu 8.10 x86-64 wouldn't even work with the VESA drivers on my nb (MSI GT725-074US). I did a manual text install, got networking up, grabbed cat 9.2 (plus some other needed packages), installed everything, rebooted to a working X11. (Blast from the ancient past, as while I can do manual text installs, I still don't enjoy doing them and had hoped to see the last of them YEARS ago. Also got to do some manual actual file editing configs... joy... felt like 1993 all over again excepting that I didn't have to bootstrap gcc then build X11 from source...)


                          I'm not even going to bother trying the OSS drivers until they support 3D on the 4XXX series Radeons... hopefully before the endof the year.

                          Also Ubuntu 9.04 has a special catalyst build with support for X.org 1.6, so I suspect that that beta release may just work out of the box w/o resorting to manual text install.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kano View Post
                            Setting video out to X11 - is that a joke? That's software rendering for video, who wants that?
                            I do. Unless you're watching HD, it doesn't take much CPU on a modern computer and currently offers the best performance for me on ATI's drivers.

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                            • #15
                              I don't know why people are so hard on ATI's drivers (fglrx). I actually have more frustrations on my Nvidia based desktop than my ATI based notebook.

                              Yes, wobbly windows has issues, but the Nvidia also has issues. (The Nvidia's issues are only there after using them for a while, they still did not get rid of the memory leaks.) And the Nvidia 180.xx series drivers don't work for me at all

                              So on all systems I run without Compiz/Kwin. I can live without some of KWin's usability optimisations... The only system that works correctly is an Intel Q33 desktop with not-quite-released-yet DRI2/GEM/KMS. Although performance on that box leaves much to be desired

                              Powermanagement, Suspend/Resume, Wine, Native Games, Videos... I have no troubles with that.

                              Also note: Nvidia cross/re/backward brands their products so much, that you don't know what is going on.
                              The Mobile GF 9600GT is almost 3 times slower than a desktop GT 9600GT. It is also a tad slower than a Desktop 9500GT.

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