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  • AMD Dropping R300-R500 Support In Catalyst Driver

    Phoronix: AMD Dropping R300-R500 Support In Catalyst Driver

    Beginning next month with the Catalyst 9.4 release, support for the R300/400/500 generations of graphics processors will be dropped from AMD's mainline ATI driver. In a move they hope will allow them to focus their efforts on newer and upcoming graphics processors, the mainline Catalyst driver on both Linux and Windows will stop supporting cards older than the Radeon HD 2000 series. Linux customers affected will be encouraged to use their open-source driver stack (xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd and Mesa) or stay with the Catalyst 9.3 driver.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13559

  • #2
    A bit early, or? Some weeks ago several shops still sold DX9 cards here and now no more fresh drivers? As long, as they at least bring updates for new API versions...

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    • #3
      I own a AGP X1600 pro!

      I knew it this was coming! Second time for me...

      This time at least I'll still have a better opensource driver to play with.

      I've changed to the opensource driver almost a year ago, but its no way ready for many users.

      I can't even playback a real 1280x720p x264 without a frame dropping here and there.

      This is very bad, bad news.

      It is becoming very clear (at least for me) that ATI opensource development is losing momentum.

      Should I still believe it?
      Last edited by hobbes; 03-05-2009, 12:51 AM.

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      • #4
        Looks like my switching to xf86-video-ati after Arch Linux dropped support for Catalyst wasn't such a bad idea after all.

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        • #5
          That SUCKS!

          This absolutely blows. My X1950XTX still does not work properly under Linux, I can't get a multimonitor setup going the way I need under Linux. I also have a X2400 series card for another monitor so what does that mean - now only one monitor will work with the official driver which is connected to the newer but weaker card while the rest are now dead !

          On top of that my laptop also has a X1700 which is less than two years old. Are you saying it looses support too? Less than two years. I am furious. So what, when Winblow$ 7 comes along, it won't have drivers for it as well? I can't stand Vista but XP doesn't render text & GUI correctly on my internal screen (high dpi).

          Just great, both Winblow$ and Linux won't have official support for my two main video cards.

          I had enough of AMD/ATI dragging their feet. I was thrilled when AMD decided to open up the card specs and therefore continued to support them, but the mediocre driver that I had to put up with for the last 2 years and now this is the breaking point. If I could go back, I would buy NVidia all the way as I should have.

          AMD/ATI I hope you get the message.

          Signed,
          Royally pissed off customer

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          • #6
            That so bad for "old" cards users. I own an 2400HD...pci.... I'm safe for now.... I hope that they will fix more bugs now .....

            Annoying video tearing......

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            • #7
              It is becoming very clear (at least for me) that ATI opensource development is losing momentum.
              well, it looks to me that fglrx development team is losing momentum - they want to focus on a smaller range of cards in order to keep up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by yoshi314 View Post
                well, it looks to me that fglrx development team is losing momentum - they want to focus on a smaller range of cards in order to keep up.
                I was referring to the no extra-effort put into the opensource driver as said on the news.

                Will this move generate greater benefits within the open-source ATI stack? It does not appear AMD will be ramping up on their open-source efforts. In fact, just this week the RadeonHD driver took a serious blow as one of the three Novell developers that were responsible for its development was laid off. The remaining developers are also facing shorter work hours.
                if you put all news coming from AMD/ATI this just doesn't look good.
                Last edited by hobbes; 03-05-2009, 01:28 AM. Reason: misquote

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                • #9
                  I'm more worried about power-management on my notebook
                  I have been quite happy with fglrx on my X1600 Mobility...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hobbes View Post
                    if you put all news coming from AMD/ATI this just doesn't look good.
                    In all fairness to AMD, it was a Novell developer that was laid off. That's hardly something you can blame AMD for. But yes times are though all around so if the open source drivers are to survive it may need to become more community, less paid employees. I may be mistaken but I haven't got the impression there's hordes of willing driver developers that have gathered since AMD opened up the specs...

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                    • #11
                      I think withdrawing support for R500 series cards is bad.. they are jus abt 2-3 years old now.. and i'm sure AMD's gr8 catalyst team is gonna continue 2 goof up wonderfully as they have been doing all along even after removing this support and "shrinking the codebase".. thank god i switched to a laptop with Nvidia 9600M graphics.. the prop. driver runs wonderfully without any hitches for me

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                      • #12
                        In all fairness to AMD, it was a Novell developer that was laid off. That's hardly something you can blame AMD for.
                        that makes you wonder whether fglrx team also got reduced, doesn't it?

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                        • #13
                          As an owner of two r400 based cards (an x800gto agp and an x700 mobility in my laptop) i am not happy with amd's decision.

                          The current opensource driver (xf-86-video-ati and the mesa stack) is nowhere near fglrx in terms of stability and features (at least for me).
                          3D using the opensource drivers (eg for playing older games like doom3 or nwn) results in lockups or graphical corruption. Features like powerplay are not supported. Using the opensource-driver on my x700 results in white-screen on modeswitch / vt-switch. Using the opensource-driver on my x700 and my x800 with kde-4.2 results in lockups when desktop-effects are enabled.

                          I know that this is not amd's fault, and i also know that the opensource-developers work hard to improve the situation, but current situation is not good for owners of r400 based cards. There are too few opensource-developers working on the drivers, and the current focus seems to be more on bringing new features to the driver, then fixing bugs, resulting in an total loss of stability. The modeswitch for example worked great around xf-video-ati-6.8.0, but now with everyone switching to kms i frequently get a white-screen on my laptop. 3D worked somewhat (at least i could play nwn) until mesa-7.0, but now even starting glxgears results in an hardlock on my x800.

                          Bad times for ati-users i think.

                          A disappointed user.

                          cheers Jon

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                          • #14
                            What is so stable about fglrx.. tearing videos with compiz&Xv + slow 2D (no render acceleration) + Heavy problems with wine.. are just some of the problems.. not to mention that for about 10 releases of fglrx from oct 2006 to aug 2007.. my x1800 never worked.. it just used to blackout when X used to start.. this is fglrx for u.. i have never had problems with xf86-video-radeon on KDE 4.2 personally.. infact it has been a smooth experience with compositing enabled also

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                            • #15
                              This news just sent shivers down my spine and I immediately remembered this little rant about Vista and it's adverse affects on linux in general.

                              http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html

                              specifically the section about "Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation"

                              As I understand it, companies such as nvidia and ati are in effect forced to abandon UDA as decribed by the atricle linked above. And I believe that also has an adverse affect on linux because we are such a small market segment. I know that it also takes alot of time and resources to support legacy hardware, and with limited resources it doesn't make financial sense for ATI/AMD to keep supporting it.

                              I am a happy owner of a AIW-9800Pro, and recently an XFX HD4350 (to support open source development), and if ATI would have come out with the HD4850 6 Months earlier than when i bought my 8800gt, i would have been a happy owner of a hd4850 instead.

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