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  • Originally posted by susikala View Post
    Let me add something here. About 70% of this thread is people whining about this step.
    As I said before, this is not "people whining", this is customers who never got what they paid for. Who were put off for years.

    Originally posted by susikala View Post
    It gets kind of tiring after a while to read all the negativity.
    It got kind of tiring, soon, to try the new fglrx each month just to get disappointed, again.

    Originally posted by susikala View Post
    I mean, this is becoming ridiculous. The specs are there for pretty much everything and for everyone to see.
    I am not interested in doing driver development. I am interested in being able to use a product I paid money for.

    Originally posted by susikala View Post
    AMD doing the _right_ step to be able to deliver overall better performance with fglrx
    I don't care for the well-being of AMD or the performance of a driver I cannot use. Don't you people get it? 90% of the users are simply not interested in any of this closed vs. open source sh*t or the long-term-development of AMD. They just want a working driver for the hardware they own now.

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    • Originally posted by Wyatt View Post
      "I paid money so you should grovel at my feet!" That's the sort of attitude I'm seeing in some of this. Absurd.
      No, it's not!

      ATI promised their hardware to work with Linux. Had I known about the crappy shape of the driver when I went shopping, I never had bought a laptop with ATI graphics in in. But it seemed not that bad because the driver got updated regulary and one could suspect that thing were getting better ...

      ... except they never got. As I said before, something was allways broken. Right now, fglrx does not work for me at all. But over the years, I learned patience.

      But then I had to read that all my patience in all those years was absolutely pointless. AMD will never deliver a driver that supports the main features of my hardware and just works.

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      • Originally posted by Stormking View Post
        As I said before, this is not "people whining", this is customers who never got what they paid for. Who were put off for years.

        It got kind of tiring, soon, to try the new fglrx each month just to get disappointed, again.

        I am not interested in doing driver development. I am interested in being able to use a product I paid money for.

        I don't care for the well-being of AMD or the performance of a driver I cannot use. Don't you people get it? 90% of the users are simply not interested in any of this closed vs. open source sh*t or the long-term-development of AMD. They just want a working driver for the hardware they own now.
        Your rousing rhetoric has redoubled my resolve. I shall drop out of school, shut myself in my room, and live off ramen and water until the drivers utilize the full capabilities of the hardware.

        Oh, wait. I already live off ramen and water. Shoot. Guess I'll have to find some other way to make it evident that I already spend most of my spare time on this project.

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        • Originally posted by MostAwesomeDude View Post
          Your rousing rhetoric has redoubled my resolve. I shall drop out of school, shut myself in my room, and live off ramen and water until the drivers utilize the full capabilities of the hardware.

          Oh, wait. I already live off ramen and water. Shoot. Guess I'll have to find some other way to make it evident that I already spend most of my spare time on this project.
          What do you want from me? I did not say a word against the open source driver or any other spare time project.

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          • Originally posted by Michael View Post
            We will have an answer for you needs soon
            That sounds interesting. Do you have more details ? Eg USB-distro or cd-based, i386 or x86_64. I would spend some more time on producing useable bug-reports if it was easier. Currently i have to uninstall fglrx, reboot, wait, get the crash, reboot see if theres some useable information and report. Some sort of semiautomatic distro with latest components and debugging enabled would be easier. Keep me updatet on this topic if possible.

            Cheers Jon

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            • Originally posted by Stormking View Post
              AMD will never deliver a driver that supports the main features of my hardware and just works.
              I suspect AMD would argue that the open source radeon driver will support all the main features "eventually", and "just work", and is substantially assisted by AMD. So your dream need not die if you don't want it to.

              I suspect you do though. And really, it's been quite a while so I can't completely blame you.

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              • Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                I suspect AMD would argue that the open source radeon driver will support all the main features "eventually", and "just work", and is substantially assisted by AMD. So your dream need not die if you don't want it to.
                Don't get me wrong, I am extremely thankful to the people behind the open source driver. But this thread is not about them, it's about ATI/AMD and their continued failure to deliver a working driver.

                And I just can't stand the arguments about how great this step is for fglrx because it will be so stable and small and fast. I don't care because I will not benefit from this.
                Last edited by Stormking; 03-06-2009, 03:59 AM.

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                • Originally posted by oyvind View Post
                  <snip>

                  I once actually had a hope of an OK working Linux driver that performs well and doesn't have glaring bugs that always pops up to say hello, before the laptop becomes obsolete.
                  After chucking fglrx out of the window for the last time because of support closing down, I have settled on latest radeonhd git snapshot using EXA acceleration and a plain non-composited desktop (Compiz tends to cause Xorg-freezes with both radeon and radeonhd, which is unacceptable for me). The 2D acceleration is pretty good, and radeonhd does not have corruption issues, which makes it that much more usable. I have decided to not care about the 3D performance, for now.

                  One issue that plagues me with radeonhd, though, is that XVideo tears badly and I cannot get OpenGL to VSYNC properly, no matter how hard I try. I am running latest DRM git snapshot (drm.ko and radeon.ko), perhaps this is not a good idea. I get these errors when trying to force VSYNC through the vblank_mode environment variable:
                  Code:
                  [32805.529145] [drm] wait for fifo failed status : 0xB0116100 0x00020000
                  [32813.315968] [drm] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9401C100 0x00020000
                  [32815.757155] [drm] wait idle failed status : 0x9401C100 0x00020000
                  [32816.444242] [drm] wait for fifo failed status : 0x9401C100 0x00020000
                  So I'll have to accept that I cannot watch movies on this laptop. Hopefully, something which fixes this will arrive in radeonhd.


                  Goodbye fglrx, it's been.. eh.. interesting.
                  --
                  X1400/M54-GL

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                  • Originally posted by Stormking View Post
                    I don't care for the well-being of AMD or the performance of a driver I cannot use. Don't you people get it? 90% of the users are simply not interested in any of this closed vs. open source sh*t or the long-term-development of AMD. They just want a working driver for the hardware they own now.
                    Which explains why 90% of the users use... Windows? Seriously, a person using Linux usually has other, varying needs than "it should just work". Even Linus acknowledges this attitude is not the worst thing when he wants to use "the best tool for the job", so you're even not bound to lose face if you switched.

                    Point is: if you're on Linux, you have other, _more_ considerations than a working driver. I mean, if you just want to it to work, you already have an OS where it works and will probably continue to work for a while, so why not use it? Is compiz etc so great you cannot give it up for aqua etc? It will never boil down to "a better graphics experience", it was always and first the _other_ issues.

                    So others, me included, want open source, not just for performance, also for visibility, openness, portability, security and a good gut feeling no one's calling home (and the ability to verify it). If having all this means that performance will suffer a bit -- although it's always improvable --, then I understand and accept that.

                    I think the problem here is not AMD, but people using their Windows-orientated vision of how software should be on Linux. AMD has been doing all the right things and you still complain -- reeks of _that_ (in my eyes inferior) computer using culture to me.

                    I mean, otherwise we'd be all using Windows, no?
                    Last edited by susikala; 03-06-2009, 07:13 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by susikala View Post
                      Point is: if you're on Linux, you have other, _more_ considerations than a working driver. I mean, if you just want to it to work, you already have an OS where it works and will probably continue to work for a while, so why not use it?
                      You seem to have a very limited view on the reasons why people use Linux. In my case, it's not because it is OSS. And it's not because Windows is buggy or because of all the malware and so on. I use Linux because I like its architecture. I like the Unix way of doing things.

                      I started computer stuff on AmigaOS and never became used to Windows. And I don't want to. You sound as if there's nothing between the mainstream Windows user and the Open Source Evangelist. Guess what, there is plenty.
                      Last edited by Stormking; 03-06-2009, 06:17 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by MostAwesomeDude View Post
                        Your rousing rhetoric has redoubled my resolve. I shall drop out of school, shut myself in my room, and live off ramen and water until the drivers utilize the full capabilities of the hardware.

                        Oh, wait. I already live off ramen and water. Shoot. Guess I'll have to find some other way to make it evident that I already spend most of my spare time on this project.
                        I for one am happy with this move by AMD, because I use open drivers and with no fglrx support open driver may only get better ...

                        So keep up the good work you are most awesome

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                        • Originally posted by Stormking View Post
                          You seem to have a very limited view on the reasons why people use Linux. In my case, it's not because it is OSS. And it's not because Windows is buggy or because of all the malware and so on. I use Linux because I like its architecture. I like the Unix way of doing things.
                          Hm, I mentioned more than enough aspects to _not_ be labeled as having 'a very limited view on the reasons why people use Linux'. Add to that that saying 'I like the Unix way of doings things' is too ambiguous to be able to reply to. Does that not entirely or partly fall under any or some of the aspects I mentioned? I seriously doubt that.

                          Then again, if I get your point correctly, for you using Linux oder Solaris or AIX has no difference whatsoever -- even though if you want to play games and actually use your card, you still need to stick to Linux itself.

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                          • Originally posted by susikala View Post
                            even though if you want to play games and actually use your card, you still need to stick to Linux itself.
                            Which requires a blob to do so right now in any true usable form. Had the 3d performance of the blobs been up to snuff you would see next to no griping. Everyone here is not complaining so much that they are dropping support in the blobs but more to the fact that they are doing so before a complete featured and performance oss alternative is out. In short, the timing stinks. Another thing that is annoying is that even though the drivers in windows are also pushed to legacy, at least they will still have incremental updates to fix show stopping bugs where the linux blobs are simply being abandoned with no maintenance.
                            Last edited by deanjo; 03-06-2009, 07:48 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                              Which requires a blob to do so right now in any true usable form. Had the 3d performance of the blobs been up to snuff you would see next to no griping. Everyone here is not complaining so much that they are dropping support in the blobs but more to the fact that they are doing so before a complete featured and performance oss alternative is out. In short, the timing stinks. Another thing that is annoying is that even though the drivers in windows are also pushed to legacy, at least they will still have incremental updates to fix show stopping bugs where the linux blobs are simply being abandoned with no maintenance.
                              I can somewhat agree about the timing; it could have been better, but a matter of a few months isn't that horrible on a Linux-timeframe. I bought my A780 board in 10/08 and suffered every moment from (pretty much) unusable video playback (teary xv or cpu-intensive gl). Eventually, the specs + FOSS drivers changed that and now I can actually get quite a lot out of this relatively weak gpu. So waiting (about 5 months in my case) pays off.

                              And again -- the specs are there, if you want spiffing 3d performance, get to work.

                              Hm, I didn't know the drivers on Windows will have incremental updates, that changes the picture, of course. Then again, it's still justifiable from ADM's pov. Most of their customers use Windows.

                              Edit: I think I'm trying to make a not very far-fetched point here. If you use Linux, you cannot expect the same level of support as on Windows -- although ironically you get on a per-user basis much more.
                              Last edited by susikala; 03-06-2009, 08:00 AM.

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                              • Not sure if this has already been mentioned but ExtremeTech reported that the older graphic chips will get quarterly updates instead of monthly although I guess that might just be the windows drivers?

                                Originally posted by ExtremeTech
                                After Catalyst 9.3, products prior to the R6xx generation of graphics cards (that go by the Radeon HD 2000 series brand names) will be changed to "legacy support status." This means that these products will get quarterly WHQL driver updates, instead of monthly updates. AMD assures us that these products will still receive critical "hotfix" drivers if high-priority fixes are needed.
                                http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2342476,00.asp

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