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  • #31
    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    Yes it will an possibly substantially. In fact this is the only thing that bothers me about this early testing as you really need drivers that fully enable the chip. What we have right now is a biased set of results. Further I want to see testing with both DIMM slots filled with RAM. This is especially important for any GPU testing.
    The AM1 socket is single-channel only?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by shaurz View Post
      Why would anyone buy this junk? Crap performance and it needs a big heatsink and fan.
      Because not everyone has >$200 to spend on a cpu, I guess?
      The 5350 is probably fast enough for the people that only need a computer for facebook/twitter and similar stuff. IE, most of the world.
      I agree on the fan, but since the chip TDP is 25W, it's not hard to find a fanless cooler (I wouldn't be so surprised if you could just remove the fan, and just use the stock cooler).

      Originally posted by asdfblah View Post
      Meanwhile, this: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/...=G138745696275 costs $65 (or $59 if you buy just one: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php ) and uses a 5VDC/2A power adapter... I guess AMD keeps taking the wrong path.
      Yes, and it's much, much slower.

      Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
      Yes it will an possibly substantially. In fact this is the only thing that bothers me about this early testing as you really need drivers that fully enable the chip. What we have right now is a biased set of results. Further I want to see testing with both DIMM slots filled with RAM. This is especially important for any GPU testing.
      Kabini is single-channel, so I don't really see this helping here.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by curaga View Post
        The AM1 socket is single-channel only?
        I dont think it has something to do with the socket its about the cpu (if I am wrong tell me) the mem-controller is in the cpu/apu so it should be a problem of that.

        To the cpu, I really want to give out money, and I would love to get a real update to my E-350 (Zacate), but if this cpu is really nearly not faster at all, it makes no sense.

        Even if that is only because the benchmarks do not well show mutli-core performance or some of them, but if 1 core is only 10% faster its just not enough to make a big difference.

        I think I have to wait for beema, and because beemo will come anyway this year it nearly makes no sense to buy it anyway even if it would be faster. But with that, I can just only see than that beema makes a big jump or amd is just giving up cpu market at all.

        I canīt still belive that its a 1-1 Zacate with double cores after several years unbelivable.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Michael View Post
          That's the state of things with Ubuntu 14.04 out-of-the-box as mentioned multiple times in that article. As also said in the article, more tests are forthcoming.
          Can you check to make sure the Jaguar cores are getting clocked to the proper speeds when running tests?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
            I dont think it has something to do with the socket its about the cpu (if I am wrong tell me) the mem-controller is in the cpu/apu so it should be a problem of that.
            It's a problem of both. Yes, the controller is in the cpu, but you also need the right pins and support in the motherboard.
            Anyway, it's not a problem here, since the controller in the 5350 is single channel


            Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
            I canīt still belive that its a 1-1 Zacate with double cores after several years unbelivable.
            It does look pretty good in the other (few) reviews that I've seen: http://www.modders-inc.com/amd-athlo...-apu-review/3/ and http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/t...lon-5350-am1/3 (only the x264 benchmark include the e-350)
            I'm not sure why Michael's benchmark show so little difference.

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            • #36
              HD Video benchmarks should be for local files

              Originally posted by Michael View Post
              Problem with that is lack of free, well-mirrored content in all the different bitrates, etc. If there is, feel free to add it to PTS and it will then be tested.
              I've never seen or use an internet connection capable of streaming 1080p video in realtime. Doubtless many others have not either. Perhaps this is a request not for Internet video playback benchmarks, but local video benchmarks?

              A high bitrate HD video should be considered a file useful only for local playback after creating or downloading it. As such, I usually benchmark video by taking a selection of my own videos in various sizes and seeing whether a CPU can play 1080p without stuttering, if not try 720p, etc. They are played from the desktop in most cases. When the CPU is at its limits, closing all browser windows and running only mplayer/mpv really helps!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Luke View Post
                I've never seen or use an internet connection capable of streaming 1080p video in realtime. Doubtless many others have not either. Perhaps this is a request not for Internet video playback benchmarks, but local video benchmarks?

                A high bitrate HD video should be considered a file useful only for local playback after creating or downloading it. As such, I usually benchmark video by taking a selection of my own videos in various sizes and seeing whether a CPU can play 1080p without stuttering, if not try 720p, etc. They are played from the desktop in most cases. When the CPU is at its limits, closing all browser windows and running only mplayer/mpv really helps!
                It's for local playback but it's a matter of for me to test it needs to meet PTS requirements, which includes reproducibility for tests that can be done by anyone.. Thus needs to be publicly hosted somewhere.
                Michael Larabel
                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  To the cpu, I really want to give out money, and I would love to get a real update to my E-350 (Zacate), but if this cpu is really nearly not faster at all, it makes no sense.
                  It is much faster compared to an E-350. There is definitely something very wrong with these benchmarks! See basically all the other Kabini benchmarks, which can be found on the web. The newer Jaguar CPU cores in Kabini have approximately 20% more IPC and run at 30% higher clock, and you get twice the cores. It is a huge improvement over Brazos, on all fronts.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by asdfblah View Post
                    Meanwhile, this: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/...=G138745696275 costs $65 (or $59 if you buy just one: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php ) and uses a 5VDC/2A power adapter... I guess AMD keeps taking the wrong path.
                    Hey, genius, that's an ARM processor, which means I would need ARM compatible programs. So if I wanted to play a game...

                    Originally posted by Michael View Post
                    It's for local playback but it's a matter of for me to test it needs to meet PTS requirements, which includes reproducibility for tests that can be done by anyone.. Thus needs to be publicly hosted somewhere.
                    I believe blender or Xiph could provide you with that, there's plenty of sample videos that they have hosted on Xiph's website. Some of them from the Blender Foundation.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by asdfblah View Post
                      Meanwhile, this: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/...=G138745696275 costs $65 (or $59 if you buy just one: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php ) and uses a 5VDC/2A power adapter... I guess AMD keeps taking the wrong path.
                      Maybe you'll find something here: http://wwwd.amd.com/catalog/salescat.nsf/shop?openform.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                        Hey, genius, that's an ARM processor, which means I would need ARM compatible programs. So if I wanted to play a game...
                        Let's say you want a cheap, powerful enough computer to browse the web, watch videos, play lightweight games, etc. (For example, you are poor, or you want to give cheap computers to poor people, or whatever). In terms of hardware and software, clearly x86 is the winner, because x86 hardware is powerful and flexible, but also because of the propietary software that is unsupported by other archs. But ARM is a VERY good alternative if you don't have/need/care about all that power, and the Chromebooks show that.
                        THAT is exactly what I'm talking about: AMD is not only trying to compete agains Intel, but also, they are now, and will in the near future, compete against ARM. From that point of view, is stupid to try to sell cheap but not-so-powerful x86 hardware, when you have way cheaper alternatives that can do exactly the same... they market these APUs as cheap computers for 3rd world countries, and that strategy is doomed, IMO. Even worse, with these APUs and the new AM1 socket, they are wasting even more resources, because, judging by benchmarks, this APU is similar, if not the same as the A6-5200.

                        Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                        Still, the embedded systems I've seen cannot compete (in terms of price) against a cheap ARM SoC, because you have CPU, GPU, video decoder, memory, USB and some network device, all integrated in the SoC.
                        Anyway, good link, thanks!

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                        • #42
                          Also take a look at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157491 (DC-In power supply support).

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                            Also take a look at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157491 (DC-In power supply support).
                            I hope we'll see more of those in the near future. PSU are bulky for those small builds, and small PSUs usually carry a premium price.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Michael View Post
                              It's for local playback but it's a matter of for me to test it needs to meet PTS requirements, which includes reproducibility for tests that can be done by anyone.. Thus needs to be publicly hosted somewhere.
                              Perhaps this:
                              http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
                                In fact this is the only thing that bothers me about this early testing as you really need drivers that fully enable the chip. What we have right now is a biased set of results. Further I want to see testing with both DIMM slots filled with RAM. This is especially important for any GPU testing.
                                It's only got a single channel memory controller, adding a 2nd stick gains you nothing but more capacity. Now Kaveri, Richland and the other mainstream-mid range APUs have a dual channel controller, thus having a stick in both channels is very important for the GPU.

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