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    Phoronix: IBM Continues Advancing PowerPC For Linux

    Beyond the exciting x86 architecture changes that are always under the microscope for the Linux kernel, and lately the great ARM work, IBM has an interesting set of POWER architecture changes for Linux 3.11...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQwMzA

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    I have a PowerBook G4 with Ubuntu 12.04 running on it, and I wonder if any of this will be able to benefit it. IBM should really think about other ways to bring PowerPC to the consumer. Besides hoping for Apple to crawl back to them.

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    • #3
      why the hell should Apple do that? The contrarian stance that Apple took against Intel was stupid to begin with. Intel has been serving them fine and dandy. Unless magic happens and IBM suddenly makes CPUs that are overall (all factors considered) better than Intel, things are gonna stay the same for a long time.
      I found this article which is quite amusing

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      • #4
        Originally posted by garegin View Post
        why the hell should Apple do that? The contrarian stance that Apple took against Intel was stupid to begin with. Intel has been serving them fine and dandy. Unless magic happens and IBM suddenly makes CPUs that are overall (all factors considered) better than Intel, things are gonna stay the same for a long time.
        I found this article which is quite amusing
        I kind of have a hunch that apple will go full ARM and with processors designed in Cupertino at some point in the future. Total control.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
          I kind of have a hunch that apple will go full ARM and with processors designed in Cupertino at some point in the future. Total control.
          I wouldn't be surprised if that were true, but I don't think it'll happen. Not for a while anyway.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
            I kind of have a hunch that apple will go full ARM and with processors designed in Cupertino at some point in the future. Total control.
            expect that Apple knows squat about making CPUs. The R&D for new CPU lines is herculean. You can't just put on a turtleneck and willy nily beat Intel at their game. If they do, they eventually fall behind, badly.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
              I have a PowerBook G4 with Ubuntu 12.04 running on it, and I wonder if any of this will be able to benefit it. IBM should really think about other ways to bring PowerPC to the consumer. Besides hoping for Apple to crawl back to them.
              Why would IBM care about that ? They are doing everything they can to themselves stay out of the consumer market these day, if their solution end up in consumer market it only because some enterprise consulted them for a consumer product.

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              • #8
                I found this article amusing.

                http://www.techbroil.com/2011/11/ser...d-problem.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by garegin View Post
                  except that Apple knows squat about making CPUs. The R&D for new CPU lines is herculean. You can't just put on a turtleneck and willy nily beat Intel at their game. If they do, they eventually fall behind, badly.
                  Apple bought out Intrinsity and have been designing their own ARM SoCs for mobile devices for quite a while.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by garegin View Post
                    expect that Apple knows squat about making CPUs. The R&D for new CPU lines is herculean. You can't just put on a turtleneck and willy nily beat Intel at their game. If they do, they eventually fall behind, badly.
                    They could buy the expertise they need.
                    They've got so much liquidity that there's not much they couldn't do, but they would need to show that the VAST expense to be worth it.
                    They could try buying IBMs Hudson Valley fab. That's a state of the art facility and I'd heard that IBM was considering unloading it.
                    Next they'd need to buy lcd panel maker and actual manufacturing facilities to assemble the components to fully verticalize (yeah, I made that a verb).
                    This would cost tons, but they could do it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by iniudan View Post
                      Why would IBM care about that ? They are doing everything they can to themselves stay out of the consumer market these day, if their solution end up in consumer market it only because some enterprise consulted them for a consumer product.
                      Cause PowerPC is becoming irrelevant as time goes by? It's been pushed out the console market by x86. ARM has the mobile market cornered. What does PowerPC have a market in, IBM's servers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by garegin View Post
                        expect that Apple knows squat about making CPUs. The R&D for new CPU lines is herculean. You can't just put on a turtleneck and willy nily beat Intel at their game. If they do, they eventually fall behind, badly.
                        They actually bought P.A. Semi, which made an original and recent PowerPC Architechture chip called PWRficient, and basically shut it down. It's the basis of the rather brutally expensive Amiga X1000, which is made in rather limited quantities still.

                        The PWRficient seemed a curious cpu, since it's apparently bi-endian, and runs at reasonably high clocks and has altivec. I really wish Apple hadn't bought P.A. Semi, such a loss, they could've done some wonderful and interesting cpu designs, now they're locked in Apple's secret culture.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ibidem View Post
                          Apple bought out Intrinsity and have been designing their own ARM SoCs for mobile devices for quite a while.
                          He's talking about the fab level work.
                          I don't think apple does much more than throw the fabs a cad file for their chips (simplification I'm sure, but the actual manufacturing is left to the fabs, and that is an area Intel is the acknowledged leader).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
                            Cause PowerPC is becoming irrelevant as time goes by? It's been pushed out the console market by x86. ARM has the mobile market cornered. What does PowerPC have a market in, IBM's servers?
                            Like I said IBM doesn't care, consumer market is no longer in their sight, they got rid of it when they sold their PC division to Lenovo. They went back to been almost purely high margin business solution and consultant, they also want to get rid of their x86 server division, but deal with Lenovo didn't work, Dell currently busy with trying to by itself back and HP has no reason to buy the division, even if they had money, has they are already at the head of the server market, the only one I can see buying System X is Cisco, has to bolster their UCS division and Microsoft, if for some odd reason they decide, they also want to enter server hardware market, which I highly doubt since their idea of server market seem to be the cloud with Azure.

                            They only other I can see buying that division, and I think that one is mostly utopic, would be if some open compute project partner banding together to buy it. Has I highly doubt Facebook want to get in server market, even if the main contributor and user of Open Compute design and have enough asset to simply buy it themselves, but I could see them putting down some money for reduced server manufacturing cost, from been one of the main business partner, instead of going through 3rd party ODM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dukenukemx View Post
                              Cause PowerPC is becoming irrelevant as time goes by? It's been pushed out the console market by x86. ARM has the mobile market cornered. What does PowerPC have a market in, IBM's servers?
                              Seems that's the only place right now for PPC...in servers such as IBM's pSeries server line. These patches IBM's pushing for 3.11 kernel is mainly to bolster support for Linux on their PPC based server lines.

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