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  • #46
    Originally posted by YAFU View Post
    If we assume that the AMD has higher power consumption, I think in some cases it may need a higher PSU power.
    At least in Asus you have very cheap motherboards with PCI-e 3.0 support for intel (assuming you want to use a discrete card). The cheap Asus motherboards for AMD FX I've seen do not support PCI-e 3.0.

    I think each has its advantages and disadvantages. I hope that there is always competition between AMD and Intel. It would not be good for consumers that there is much difference between the two, and that only one dominates the market.
    Under full load the difference between 3770k and 8350 is of about 40-80W, depending of specific hardware and task. You can use the same PSU for both. Cheap motherboards for installing top chips? That is like purchasing a Ferrari or a Porsche and then using the cheapest tires that you can find...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by juanrga View Post
      Under full load the difference between 3770k and 8350 is of about 40-80W, depending of specific hardware and task. You can use the same PSU for both. Cheap motherboards for installing top chips? That is like purchasing a Ferrari or a Porsche and then using the cheapest tires that you can find...
      I'd happily see how much a cheap motherboard impacts CPU benchmarks.
      Probably not as much as a car tires..

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      • #48
        Originally posted by lordmetroid View Post
        If you are going to test the IGPs I hope you will test

        The common Intel HD 4600
        The mobile/BGA Intel Iris Pro 5200
        AMD HD 7660D with Catalyst drivers
        AMD HD 7660D with Open Source drivers


        It will be very good to test Wine with those GPUs and some first rate MMO like Guild_Wars_2 or Tera_online. Plus the two main Wine engines, default GLSL and WineD3D (winetricks glsl=disabled).

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        • #49
          Originally posted by juanrga View Post
          Under full load the difference between 3770k and 8350 is of about 40-80W, depending of specific hardware and task. You can use the same PSU for both. Cheap motherboards for installing top chips? That is like purchasing a Ferrari or a Porsche and then using the cheapest tires that you can find...
          In Asus, a cheap motherboard is very good hardware anyway. In Asus for Intel, the cheap motherboards (P8xxx common models for example) and Top models (Pro - Sabertooth - Maximus) not have practically differences in CPU performance. The difference is much smaller if models have similar chipset. Top Motherboards have better configurations in PCI-e Crossfire/SLI, Back IO Ports and extreme OC cooling. You can buy an cheap model from Asus and rest assured that the CPU will work like a Ferrari anyway.
          Last edited by YAFU; 06-05-2013, 07:39 AM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by artivision View Post
            It will be very good to test Wine with those GPUs and some first rate MMO like Guild_Wars_2 or Tera_online.
            How do you propose getting a repeatable, offline test profile for a MMO?

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            • #51
              Intel HD 4600 graphics
              No, it's Intel HD Graphics 4600. Check Intel ARK if you want to be sure. Hence why it's appropriate to call it HDG 4600 and it won't be confused with AMD Radeon HD 4600 line of graphics cards.

              The Xonotic temperature measurements are definitely not right. The A10 average temperature is 5 degrees? That's physically impossible...

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              • #52
                Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                Sounds like the issue might just be a feature that defaults to off in radeon but on in the intel driver. Not sure what current state is, but floating point textures and texture compression/s3tc used to be the main areas.
                Thanks, Bridgman, I'll take a look again. There is some debug info available on the command line, it's just a matter of having the time to chase it ... cheers!

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                • #53
                  At least one propagated feature is missing: SMAP

                  Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                  Phoronix: Intel Core i7 4770K "Haswell" Benchmarks On Ubuntu Linux

                  This past weekend I shared the first experiences of running Intel's new Haswell CPU on Linux. While Intel Haswell is a beast and brings many new features and innovations to the new Core CPUs ...

                  http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=18754
                  What I'm missing in the /proc/cpuinfo output of the i7 4770K and the engineering sample I've at hand is SMAP. Though it's uninteresting for graphics stuff and benchmarking, but it has been propagated in every article I can find about Haswell.

                  So, I'm wondering: where is it? Does anyone has serious informations why it's not there?

                  SMAP - Supervisor mode access prevention: http://lwn.net/Articles/517475/

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by lordmetroid View Post
                    If you are going to test the IGPs I hope you will test

                    The common Intel HD 4600
                    The mobile/BGA Intel Iris Pro 5200
                    AMD HD 7660D with Catalyst drivers
                    AMD HD 7660D with Open Source drivers
                    There is also

                    AMD HD 8660D with Catalyst drivers (just released, Richland)
                    AMD HD 8660D with Open Source drivers

                    At least in Windows, for what I've seen, Richland is 25% or so faster than Trinity. It also has a higher overclocking ceiling (http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/15...or-steamroller)
                    Last edited by mendieta; 06-05-2013, 09:41 AM. Reason: Typo: 7660->8660

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                      There is also

                      AMD HD 8660D with Catalyst drivers (just released, Richland)
                      AMD HD 8660D with Open Source drivers
                      Except that I haven't gotten any hardware out of AMD in a long time now...
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                        Ok, then let's do a price comparison here, what the best bang for your computing buck? I'm using the same very popular shop for all parts.

                        $179.98 basic A10-5800K system

                        $264.98 basic FX-8350 system

                        $414.98 basic i7-4770K system

                        I'm assuming that ram, psu, drives and case are identical across all systems and thus left out of the comparison.
                        Sure, I actually said the same thing in my first post in this thread. AMD has better performance/price ratio for sure, for CPU. And as you noted, when you compound this with least expensive mobo's, the difference is really substantial, in terms of value. On the integrated graphics, AMD was much better, and now that Intel is catching up, the perforance is similar but AMD again provides better value.

                        Your comparison is lacking a bit, though, in hat the FX-8350 needs a ~$70 discreet card to compete with the i7-4770K. This brings it to $335, which is 20% cheaper than the Intel solution. Not a huge difference, but sure, a better value.

                        The A10-5800K is a better value as compared to Intel if you put apples to apples. But it's at a different ballpark altogether.

                        Thanks for the figures!

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                        • #57
                          At least Richland has the same gpu as Trinity (Cayman), not GCN as was misreported by some sites - it uses the mature r600g driver, not the experimental radeonsi.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by curaga View Post
                            How do you propose getting a repeatable, offline test profile for a MMO?
                            it doesnt need to be repeatable. it needs to be actual gameplay. That is all that matters when benching games. You play games so gameplay on the newest release is what matters. MMOs should be benchmarked as such as often as releases are made.

                            It's not hard to understand that games are meant to be played so gameplay is what should be benchmarked. Obviously gameplay is not exactly repeatable.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Michael View Post
                              Except that I haven't gotten any hardware out of AMD in a long time now...
                              It's pretty easy to see why after reading quite a few of your articles, though the last few has left out negative innuendo so they have improved.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                                it doesnt need to be repeatable. it needs to be actual gameplay. That is all that matters when benching games. You play games so gameplay on the newest release is what matters. MMOs should be benchmarked as such as often as releases are made.

                                It's not hard to understand that games are meant to be played so gameplay is what should be benchmarked. Obviously gameplay is not exactly repeatable.
                                If it isn't repeatable, it has questionable value. You can't tell whether it was an anomaly, a busy day on the server, or any other hiccup. Heck, you can't even tell whether anything was tested at all: if the test isn't repeatable, the writer could be pulling numbers out of his ass and nobody would be the wiser.

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