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  • #16
    It seems I touched a nerve. I'm not even anti AMD. Over the past 13 years I've probably assembled 3 times as many AMD based systems as Intel. I just find it lame that AMD is not letting review sites do a full review until after the processor launches. I guess I should have said "raw integer performance" rather than application performance. AMD processors have been gettings smoked by Intel for a while on this front and that gap is only widening.

    That being said, I think Trinity is the one good thing AMD has going for it right now on the CPU front. Unfortunately due to a few factors it's going to have competition even in the segment it could potentially dominate. AMD used to be the best bang for the buck hands down within the value to mid range segment. Now there is no segment where they do not have serious competition from Intel. If you plan on adding a discrete gfx card then an i3 is obviously the better choice over anything in the AMD lineup. If you plan on running integrated graphics, but in linux, do you trust AMD drivers and support enough to provide you with a stable experience when intel is known to be very linux and open source friendly?

    The only clear cut win for AMD right now is if you intend to use integrated graphics and you intend to do so in windows. The other niche that AMD wins is for budget minded overclockers. This scores high in my book. I can't stand Intel's decision to lock down budget parts and cost people upwards of potentially 30% better performance "just because".

    Of course, with AMD's refusal to allow review sites to post overclocking results, my hopes aren't high at all for Trinity's headroom.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
      It seems I touched a nerve. I'm not even anti AMD. Over the past 13 years I've probably assembled 3 times as many AMD based systems as Intel. I just find it lame that AMD is not letting review sites do a full review until after the processor launches. I guess I should have said "raw integer performance" rather than application performance. AMD processors have been gettings smoked by Intel for a while on this front and that gap is only widening.
      You realise that almost every vendor does the exact same thing? Intel has previously paid software vendors to optimise code for their CPUs, using Intel compilers to maintain a performance advantage, or even parity, white listing such software as what they deem acceptable for early benchmarking. They've even went as far as pushing superior AMD processors out of the market by pushing PC vendors into deals to not carry AMD CPUs. Its not that you're touching a nerve, its that you're being hypocritical, which is fairly anti-AMD if you're suggesting supporting the competition which is worse.

      For the most part thats neither here nor there, and you should buy whats best for you, though if AMD dies because of the incessant propagating of being unworthy when in reality any morder CPU will do, it'll be a damn shame for them to dominate the market with no competition.

      Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
      That being said, I think Trinity is the one good thing AMD has going for it right now on the CPU front. Unfortunately due to a few factors it's going to have competition even in the segment it could potentially dominate. AMD used to be the best bang for the buck hands down within the value to mid range segment. Now there is no segment where they do not have serious competition from Intel. If you plan on adding a discrete gfx card then an i3 is obviously the better choice over anything in the AMD lineup. If you plan on running integrated graphics, but in linux, do you trust AMD drivers and support enough to provide you with a stable experience when intel is known to be very linux and open source friendly?
      You need to remember that you also have to buy that discrete GPU, you also need to buy a generally more expensive (or inferior quality) motherboard to go with all that, thus likely you're going to come in more expensive with the Intel kit. That said, if you need the processor performance, by all means get an Intel as I did, I wasn't raising objections to that, just against that silly statements that make it should like your firefox or word would be noticeably faster with the Intel.

      Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
      The only clear cut win for AMD right now is if you intend to use integrated graphics and you intend to do so in windows. The other niche that AMD wins is for budget minded overclockers. This scores high in my book. I can't stand Intel's decision to lock down budget parts and cost people upwards of potentially 30% better performance "just because".
      The first point isn't really a niche though, its 90% of the market. To the last point, Intel don't only lock out overclocking features, but they'll cut out CPU features such as virtualization or ECC RAM, which some of us would like to use.

      Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
      Of course, with AMD's refusal to allow review sites to post overclocking results, my hopes aren't high at all for Trinity's headroom.
      Again, overclocking would only matter if you're doing work that benefits from the CPU a great deal. This is a miniorty of work, and the majority of people doing real work wouln't run their CPU out of spec anyway. I do agree though, for a gamer on a budget, it would be nice to see AMD challenge.

      I'm running an Intel CPU here and I'll continue to run whats best for me, I just don't particularly think anti-AMD FUD is particularly helpful. On the other hand given GPU offload applications (and better linux support, which is comming) and virtualization support, trinity might actually make a decent server cpu for the home or smaller offices and I wouldn't mind picking one up for my NAS assuming it follows through on all the particulars.

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      • #18
        clock speeds

        If you test the open source driver, please make sure to run at the full clock speed if it doesn't automatically do so.

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        • #19
          loosley related: AMD released the beta of their CodeXL their development kit for working code in conjunction with their GPUs, CPUs, APUs. It can be used to diagnosis and display of bottlenecks in code performance you might encounter.

          http://developer.amd.com/tools/hc/Co...s/default.aspx

          (read that on the German heise.de)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ownagefool View Post
            You realise that almost every vendor does the exact same thing?
            Judging by the reaction of techreport.com to AMD's policy for this products release, I don't think this exact sort of thing happens very often.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
              Judging by the reaction of techreport.com to AMD's policy for this products release, I don't think this exact sort of thing happens very often.
              The large review sites are generally bought and paid for, maybe techreport has tipped its hand or maybe they just aren't often privy to giving previews whilst under NDA but anandtech didn't seem as bothered. Theres a reason why you're supposed to consult a number of review sites before you consider yourself informed.

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