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  • #76
    Originally posted by maldorordiscord View Post
    clock speed say nothing about "Speed" the 28nm 16core do have a 512bit integer-SIMD acceleration unit this means it can easily beat any other CPU right now on the market.
    Integer-simd unit means stuff like FMA4,FMA3,XOP,CVT16,AVX(the integer part) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_instruction_set
    The FMA4 from amd and AVX is only 256bit and the 28nm 16core Loongson is 512 bit integer and 2 pieces of 512bit Vector SIMD in the x86 world the name is SSE-64bit,3dnow-32bit,AVX-256bit and so one.
    In other words the Loongson really is a high performance CPU... a classic one without high-clock-fake
    Maybe. Show me one game that uses the 512bit SIMD unit or 16 cores. As I said, may be a good choice for a server, but not for running x86 games on it.

    Dude I'm so sorry for you I'm right and you can not do anything about it you want a English dictionary?
    I already show you a English Wikipedia page but I also can show you a English dictionary no problem but you are still wrong: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quat
    wiktionary :quat -->"Etymology: Common Germanic, whence also Old English "
    I had to laugh about that. You really should learn to read properly.
    The entry in the Wiktionary has exactly three definitions for the word quat, two English, one Old High German.
    First the English ones, since English is the topic here :
    1. quat as a noun meaning pustule, I doubt that you are referring to a pustule-core CPU, although I think that would look funny.
    2. quat as a verb, meaning to satiate, also no reference to the number 4
    Now comes the funny part, the Old High German part you are referring to, the non-English part, and a masterpiece of changing meanings with wrong quoting:
    Common Germanic, whence also Old English cwēad
    The word you "lost" emphasized by me. In this part quat is a German word, where the English counterpart is cwēad.
    Also nice that you left out the definitions for that German word:
    1. mud
    2. dirt
    Yeah, I can see how this is related to the number four.

    Oh, before I forget this:
    Its old English and means "4 of 4" translated to German its "volle vier/ganze vier teile".
    This is not mentioned at all in the linked entry. You also give no other link to this information, I think because it is made up and you are back to Qaridarium style, outright lying when proven to be wrong.

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    • #77
      TobiSGD "I had to laugh about that. You really should learn to read properly.
      The entry in the Wiktionary has exactly three definitions for the word quat, two English, one Old High German.[...]I think because it is made up and you are back to Qaridarium style, outright lying when proven to be wrong."

      Nice try but i can disprove your claims.
      Your problem is you do have zero flexibility and its not a German word at all its a Latin word.
      The oldest meaning of the word i mean written with "T" and not d is quater http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quater
      and the word quattro also writen with t and not d http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quattro
      and the word quarterly also writen with t and not d http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quarterly
      also the word quattuor also writen with t and not d http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quattuor
      and the short version of -quattuor anni tempora- is Quatember and the more shorter version of Quatember is Quat http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Quat.
      also the short version of quater is quat and not only the short version its the BASIC wort and you can make many other words with this basic word quat what means 4 examples:
      in quattro e quattr'otto
      quarto
      quaterna
      quaternario
      quattordici
      quattrino
      quattrocchi
      quattrocentesco
      quattrocentesimo
      quattrocentino
      quattrocentista
      quattrocentistico
      quattrocento, Quattrocento
      quattroesettanta
      quattroeventi
      quattrofoglie
      quattromila
      quattro per quattro
      quattroporte
      quattroruote
      as you can see quat is the basic word for "4" and with different endings it gets different meanings of the number 4.
      the number4 is for example quattuor means quat=4 and the ending tuor means "number" means 4 as a number.
      also this latin wort is the source of the english word and written with T is only the oldest version of this word.
      Now will you apologize for your insults? or you will deny the connection to the Latin as the basic source for the English language?
      You just have a lag for a basic understanding of languages and history of languages.

      TobiSGD : "Maybe. Show me one game that uses the 512bit SIMD unit or 16 cores. As I said, may be a good choice for a server, but not for running x86 games on it."

      You can handle 8 SSE (vector) 64bit instructions in 1 single 512bit vector simd instruction.
      also multi-core is not a problem physX3.0/bulledphysic based games can use a unlimited number of cores also openGL4.0+ and directX11 based games can handle many cores to push graphic performance.
      Last edited by maldorordiscord; 07-05-2012, 11:01 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by maldorordiscord View Post
        TobiSGD "I had to laugh about that. You really should learn to read properly.
        The entry in the Wiktionary has exactly three definitions for the word quat, two English, one Old High German.[...]I think because it is made up and you are back to Qaridarium style, outright lying when proven to be wrong."

        Nice try but i can disprove your claims.

        ....

        Now will you apologize for your insults? or you will deny the connection to the Latin as the basic source for the English language?
        You just have a lag for a basic understanding of languages and history of languages.
        There is no word "quat" in the English language related to the number four, regardless which languages have influenced the English language. You can't just take other languages as prove for a non-existent word, flexibility is not the same as imagining something that doesn't exist.
        Regarding my understanding of languages and their history, I had 5 years English, 4 years Latin and one year French in school, I think that is enough to have more than a basic understanding. By the way, the word you mean is lack, not lag. All the time you have used to find prove for a non-existent word would be better spend on installing a spellchecker including English dictionary.

        You can handle 8 SSE (vector) 64bit instructions in 1 single 512bit vector simd instruction.
        That sounds interesting, do you have a link to that information, so that I can learn more on this?

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
          There is no word "quat" in the English language related to the number four, regardless which languages have influenced the English language. You can't just take other languages as prove for a non-existent word, flexibility is not the same as imagining something that doesn't exist.
          Regarding my understanding of languages and their history, I had 5 years English, 4 years Latin and one year French in school, I think that is enough to have more than a basic understanding. By the way, the word you mean is lack, not lag. All the time you have used to find prove for a non-existent word would be better spend on installing a spellchecker including English dictionary.
          my evidence was not static execution it was a flexible one.
          examples:
          quat-er is a english word?
          quarter goes in the same direction
          quattro as a word is also used in the english language
          same for quattuor
          also the word quat is in use in modern english to:
          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quat
          " QUAT
          Slang for Quarter usually used in drug circles.
          'Yo, you got a quat fo' tree five?'
          Translation: "Pardon me, but do you still have a Quarter of (name your favorite drug here) for three hundred and fifty dollars?""
          and there are more examples for the use of "quat" in meaning of 4 example:
          "a quaternary compound" or in german: "aus vier Teilen bestehend"
          quaternary=is built on 4 pieces
          source for this example: http://www.dicts.info/define.php?word=quat
          another example in the same meaning: "the quaternary period of geologic time extends from the end of the tertiary period to the present"
          another example for the meaning of four is : "quaternate leaves"
          Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Quaternate "quaternate - consisting of or especially arranged in sets of four"
          another example is "Quaternary ammonium cations, also known as quats" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation
          this prove qarts is the short version of Quaternary and the german version of this word is: "aus vier Teilen bestehend" and if you translate this to english word by word: "consisting of four parts"

          this means There is a word "quat" in the English language related to the number four!

          Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
          That sounds interesting, do you have a link to that information, so that I can learn more on this?
          first integer SIMD was MMX (integer-32bit): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_%28instruction_set%29
          one of the first floating-point SIMD was 3dnow(floating point 32bit): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DNow!
          MMX+3Dnow in 64bit is called SSE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions
          another vector SIMD standard is AltiVec http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltiVec
          SSE4 is 128 bit vector then and AVX is 256bit vector: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX
          and the Integer extensions of the AVX generation is called FMA http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_x86

          comparison to Loongson: Loongson 3A only do have 64bit-128bit vector Loongson 3B do have 256bit Vector and 256bit integer SIMD and the Longson 3C do have 2pices of 512bit vector SIMD per core and 1 piece of 512bit integer SIMD.

          In my knowledge the Loongson's SIMD units try to compatible with the ARM one:
          Loongson use the Vector unit from ARM : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_arc...IMD_.28NEON.29
          on the level: ARMv8 64-bit VFP and advanced SIMD (NEON) standard
          Last edited by maldorordiscord; 07-06-2012, 12:29 AM.

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          • #80
            Sigh

            Q is Q'ing it up again, I see.

            Or is it now M M'ing it up?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by maldorordiscord View Post
              my evidence was not static execution it was a flexible one.
              examples:
              quat-er is a english word?
              quarter goes in the same direction
              quattro as a word is also used in the english language
              same for quattuor
              also the word quat is in use in modern english to:
              http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quat
              " QUAT
              Slang for Quarter usually used in drug circles.
              'Yo, you got a quat fo' tree five?'
              Translation: "Pardon me, but do you still have a Quarter of (name your favorite drug here) for three hundred and fifty dollars?""
              and there are more examples for the use of "quat" in meaning of 4 example:
              "a quaternary compound" or in german: "aus vier Teilen bestehend"
              quaternary=is built on 4 pieces
              source for this example: http://www.dicts.info/define.php?word=quat
              another example in the same meaning: "the quaternary period of geologic time extends from the end of the tertiary period to the present"
              another example for the meaning of four is : "quaternate leaves"
              Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Quaternate "quaternate - consisting of or especially arranged in sets of four"
              another example is "Quaternary ammonium cations, also known as quats" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation
              this prove qarts is the short version of Quaternary and the german version of this word is: "aus vier Teilen bestehend" and if you translate this to english word by word: "consisting of four parts"

              this means There is a word "quat" in the English language related to the number four!
              You show successfully the existence of words that begin with "quart" and "quat", but that doesn't mean that a a word quat exist in relation to the number four. There is no such thing as a quat-core CPU, regardless how long you babble about it. Get over it, install a spellchecker.

              first integer SIMD was MMX (integer-32bit): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_%28instruction_set%29
              one of the first floating-point SIMD was 3dnow(floating point 32bit): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DNow!
              MMX+3Dnow in 64bit is called SSE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions
              another vector SIMD standard is AltiVec http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltiVec
              SSE4 is 128 bit vector then and AVX is 256bit vector: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX
              and the Integer extensions of the AVX generation is called FMA http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_x86

              comparison to Loongson: Loongson 3A only do have 64bit-128bit vector Loongson 3B do have 256bit Vector and 256bit integer SIMD and the Longson 3C do have 2pices of 512bit vector SIMD per core and 1 piece of 512bit integer SIMD.

              In my knowledge the Loongson's SIMD units try to compatible with the ARM one:
              Loongson use the Vector unit from ARM : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_arc...IMD_.28NEON.29
              on the level: ARMv8 64-bit VFP and advanced SIMD (NEON) standard
              I know what SIMD is. Part of the education for my job was microprocessor technic. Your statement was:
              You can handle 8 SSE (vector) 64bit instructions in 1 single 512bit vector simd instruction.
              You realize that SSE is a type of SIMD, but you can't simply interchange them? So please show me a link where clearly is stated that the 512 bit SIMD unit (which in fact are 2 256 Bit units) can handle 8 SSE instructions at a time. Would be funny anyways, SSE uses 128 Bit registers and 8*128 are 1024 and not 512.
              By the way, the ARM SIMD instructions use 8 and 16 bit packed together in a 32 bit register and are not compatible to SSE.

              You should stop to "imagine" your facts, you are making yourself looking stupid, Qaridarium.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                You show successfully the existence of words that begin with "quart" and "quat", but that doesn't mean that a a word quat exist in relation to the number four. There is no such thing as a quat-core CPU, regardless how long you babble about it. Get over it, install a spellchecker.
                i just cut out for you what you think what is not the direct word "quat" just to help you out.

                quat is in use in modern English:
                http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quat
                " QUAT
                Slang for Quarter usually used in drug circles.
                'Yo, you got a quat fo' tree five?'
                Translation: "Pardon me, but do you still have a Quarter of (name your favorite drug here) for three hundred and fifty dollars?""

                Quat is the short therm of Quaternary what means "consisting of four parts" source:
                "Quaternary ammonium cations, also known as quats" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation

                This means there is a word "quat" in the English language related to the number four!
                Now check my usage of the word:
                Quat-core is the short version of: Quaternary-core --> consisting of four parts-core

                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                I know what SIMD is. Part of the education for my job was microprocessor technic. Your statement was:You realize that SSE is a type of SIMD, but you can't simply interchange them? So please show me a link where clearly is stated that the 512 bit SIMD unit [...]
                By the way, the ARM SIMD instructions use 8 and 16 bit packed together in a 32 bit register and are not compatible to SSE.
                Now you mix up stuff because its basically a vector processor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_processor
                And you can translate the instructions in another format.
                Because the vector connections are linearly linked.
                You mix up the format with the vector processing them self but you can translate the format and do the vector processing with the same result.
                This translation work drain your performance to 70%....

                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                (which in fact are 2 256 Bit units) can handle 8 SSE instructions at a time. Would be funny anyways, SSE uses 128 Bit registers and 8*128 are 1024 and not 512.
                What the hell you talking about ? the Loongson 3B do have 2x256bit per core vector units and the Loongson 3C do have 2x512bit vector units. The 3C do have your "1024bit" in vector.

                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                You should stop to "imagine" your facts, you are making yourself looking stupid, Qaridarium.
                Big insulting words for the fact you lost on all tropics the word "quat" do exist in the English language connected to the number 4 its the short version of Quaternary. You also can translate the format of a vector instruction because the vector processing them self can calculate the same result after the translation.

                Now who looks more stupid ? Counted on the facts, you look stupid.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                  Q is Q'ing it up again, I see.

                  Or is it now M M'ing it up?
                  Are you blind? I'm not the spelling/grammar Nazi.
                  He is incapable to ignore a single word what doesn't fit to his opinion of his spelling/grammar Nazi being.
                  Normal people just read the content and not the typos.
                  Also typos isn't fully right because quat is the short version of quaternary what does transport the same meaning of quad-core (quat-core=quaternary-core=consisting of four parts-core).

                  He just wants to dispute and fight. This has nothing to do with Q.

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                  • #84
                    Just show us a picture using your beloved cpu and play some games. wine will certainly NOT work.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Kano View Post
                      Just show us a picture using your beloved cpu and play some games. wine will certainly NOT work.
                      Its basically the same like using wine on ARM : http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM

                      You can just run a x86 linux in a Virtual machine and then run wine in this emulation.
                      example for someone who do this : http://myloongson.blogspot.de/2007/0...-loongson.html and this was back in 2007...

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                      • #86
                        I want to see YOU. you always talk about it and you do NOT own it. You dream too much!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Kano View Post
                          I want to see YOU. you always talk about it and you do NOT own it. You dream too much!
                          I already did it on emulated x86 hardware to run windows95 and windows98 back in 1995 with a PowerPC 603 75MHz clock speed to play games.

                          Now what?

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                          • #88
                            Next you will say it emulated 3d hardware. Most likely you also talked to aliens and met god himself.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Kano View Post
                              Next you will say it emulated 3d hardware. Most likely you also talked to aliens and met god himself.
                              last time I checked emulators there was a software OpenGL renderer in the Linux versions and also a software direct X renderer in windows7.
                              Also virtual-box for example just use wine-libs to translate direct X calls into OpenGL calls and use the graphic card to accelerate it.
                              Now you will claim that this does not run games fast and sure its slow.
                              Sure you can drop the PC as a gaming platform and buy a Xbox instead and a Xbox also do not run x86 Intel compatible hardware!.

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                              • #90
                                Well the first xbox was x86 and the next ps4 will use x86 as well.Certainly you can use consoles with power ppc/cell core for games - but those do NOT run wine. You can forget Vbox for 3d games, vmware might be a tiny bit better, but still crap. Those systems are not meant for hardcore gaming.

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