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  • #16
    Maybe ekopath will help BD reach level 2

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
      As for the mean things towards Phoronix I really don't get them.
      You can see them as mean, or you can see them as things that could be improved (at least in my case it is out of frustration that Phoronix is the only Linux review site, but it could be so much better). See it that way: The people who complain are still reading the site, and care enough to complain. But I think that improving especially the writing style would attract more readers, and make those more likely to suffer through ads or to get a premium account. As it is, Phoronix is Michael's blog about Linux and benchmarking and 3D and Steam and beer and lederhosen and scheiße.

      For example, in this entry we have only links to openbenchmarking (not much information about the results themselves), grumbling about not getting free stuff, and the last two paragraphs totally unrelated (about ads and scheiße and twits and Postal and Valve). How is this anything else than a blog post? Why would a substantial amount of readers want to pay for that (either explicitly by joining, or by being annoyed by ads)?

      How about separating the "personality" with beer and scheiße etc. into a personal blog category, and reserve the article category for substantiated things (*cough*Steam*cough*)? In this case, have an article showing the Bulldozer results, and a related blog entry about the random thoughts that occured while writing it (the blog entry can even link to the article, but not the other way around).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        and beer and lederhosen and scheiße.
        [...]
        How about separating the "personality" with beer and scheiße etc. into a personal blog category, and reserve the article category for substantiated things (*cough*Steam*cough*)?
        stop this there is no substantiated things without personality.

        you are a brain-death zombie or a android if you don't have personality in your work.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
          you are a brain-death zombie or a android if you don't have personality in your work.
          You are unprofessional if you put too much personality into your work. Have a look at the occasionally-mentioned lwn.net, usually you can spot different writers by their style, but they don't have scheiße in their articles (and if you're offended by me mentioning the word scheiße that often, why not at Michael as well?). To quote from Mediawriting: print, broadcast, and public relations: "[...] the media writer instead writes without a conspicuous personality" (note that it doesn't say "no personality").

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            you don't get it microsoft is 97% of the market share on desktop and linux is only 1% but the GCC is almost used on linux.
            and amd already spend more than 1% of the money they earning on the GCC/linux side.
            intel just put 10000times more money on there intel compiler and they software support to windows devs to use there intel way to go stuff.

            the bulldozer need a kernel scheduler patch this improve the speed for 10% and a kernel caching patch this improves the speed for 3% and so one and so one.

            the software part of the bulldozer is just not yet ready.
            That may be so but I would be glad to see Bulldozer perform well under Linux and gcc, I don't really care that much about Windows. You say it needs improvements in the kernel, well who exactly stopped AMD from pushing this 1 year ago when they had their first Bulldozer samples ready, could test and all of that. That's how you do things, not wait till it's out, then say, oh but it will work better with these.
            The CPU is just not that good and I doubt performance will improve more than 5% even with all the patches and stuff which should have been in the kernel for quite some time now if they were professional about it. I love AMD but they screwed up big time with Bulldozer.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
              You are unprofessional if you put too much personality into your work. Have a look at the occasionally-mentioned lwn.net, usually you can spot different writers by their style, but they don't have scheiße in their articles (and if you're offended by me mentioning the word scheiße that often, why not at Michael as well?). To quote from Mediawriting: print, broadcast, and public relations: "[...] the media writer instead writes without a conspicuous personality" (note that it doesn't say "no personality").
              Professional only means you earn money from your doing and being and Michael earn money from his work this makes him a Professional.

              You can not be unprofessional just because you do have a strong personality.

              And yes i think you are Guilty in insult Michael you violated his personal rights.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
                well who exactly stopped AMD from pushing this
                Linus Torvalds stopped AMD.


                Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
                That may be so but I would be glad to see Bulldozer perform well under Linux and gcc, I don't really care that much about Windows. You say it needs improvements in the kernel, well who exactly stopped AMD from pushing this 1 year ago when they had their first Bulldozer samples ready, could test and all of that. That's how you do things, not wait till it's out, then say, oh but it will work better with these.
                The CPU is just not that good and I doubt performance will improve more than 5% even with all the patches and stuff which should have been in the kernel for quite some time now if they were professional about it. I love AMD but they screwed up big time with Bulldozer.
                and you don't get the point that the instruction set for hand optimization code isn't a compiler problem the GCC can't magic do the job for you. you have to rewrite the software to benefit from AVX and FMA4 and SSE4.2

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
                  That may be so but I would be glad to see Bulldozer perform well under Linux and gcc,
                  What I'm curious to see is how it does with LLVM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                    Professional only means you earn money from your doing and being and Michael earn money from his work this makes him a Professional.

                    You can not be unprofessional just because you do have a strong personality.

                    And yes i think you are Guilty in insult Michael you violated his personal rights.
                    heh, socialists....

                    Look he has just as much right to state his opinion, which is perfectly valid btw, as you have to state yours, and as anyone else has to state theirs.. Nobody violated anybodys rights.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      and you don't get the point that the instruction set for hand optimization code isn't a compiler problem the GCC can't magic do the job for you. you have to rewrite the software to benefit from AVX and FMA4 and SSE4.2
                      Wow, I'm impressed Q. That's a point that I have been trying to beat into some peoples heads for a long time.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        Linus Torvalds stopped AMD.
                        Nah, he accept anything that is clean code. Its as simple as that. So far nothing has stopped AMD from "contributing", or to be more spesific "upstreaming such a thing".

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by duby229 View Post
                          heh, socialists....

                          Look he has just as much right to state his opinion, which is perfectly valid btw, as you have to state yours, and as anyone else has to state theirs.. Nobody violated anybodys rights.
                          sure he do have the right to violate michael but its not nice.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                            Wow, I'm impressed Q. That's a point that I have been trying to beat into some peoples heads for a long time.
                            Yes sure. but i think its like fighting again brain-death zombies they never understand the True nature.

                            Compilers only work for Integer and Floating point calculations but not for SIMD SSE,SSE2,SSE3,SSE4.2,AVX,FMA3,FMA4,XOP calculations.

                            Because these SIMD operations are not logical and not causality but a Compiler only abstract the Logical and Causality from a Logical program language construct to an 01 Computer code for the Integer or Floating point unit.

                            In a world of 100% compiler makes the work there is no SIMD(SSE-unit)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mcirsta View Post
                              What you say has some basis, the compilers can be optimized to favor Intel, at least on Windows. On Linux though gcc is open source, no one stops AMD from contributing. Also being beaten by your old CPU in some benchmarks while having 110% more transistors is unforgivable. This is not Intel or the compilers, you're losing to your own older generation.
                              I disagree. Intel regularly uses it's monopoly to force it's technology on everybody, and the constant influx of SSE instructions are what keep the x86 monopoly going. AMD could come up with their own instructions, but how well do you think they would do with incompatible instructions and significantly less marketshare? Furthermore, there's only so many instructions that are actually useful, Intel could sue them for IP infringement if anything was deemed to similar.

                              If AMD were to start doing their own thing with instructions, then AMD's x86 would quickly turn into a fringe server architecture that only runs operating systems specially compiled for it with GCC, like any other number of CPUs from IBM, Sun, etc... So following Intel's lead is still their best option, and things won't change until regulators grow a pair and decide to break up the Intel monopoly racket.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                                Yes sure. but i think its like fighting again brain-death zombies they never understand the True nature.

                                Compilers only work for Integer and Floating point calculations but not for SIMD SSE,SSE2,SSE3,SSE4.2,AVX,FMA3,FMA4,XOP calculations.

                                Because these SIMD operations are not logical and not causality but a Compiler only abstract the Logical and Causality from a Logical program language construct to an 01 Computer code for the Integer or Floating point unit.

                                In a world of 100% compiler makes the work there is no SIMD(SSE-unit)
                                Well even with Integer and Floating point calculations you can still get even better performance with fine tuned hand written optimizations. But I will still give you a gold star. ;D

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