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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    At least they get some extra money to buy wafers to produce some ATI HD series 5 chips They could have sold much more chips if they would have been available - not really clever...
    Well, at least this is not AMDs fault! They even tried to avoid this problem with producing the 4770 in 40nm. The 4770 was a testrun (which failed) but TSMC was able to fail after 6(!!!) months of experience, too.
    I read, that they even managed to lower the yield rate. Of course TSMC denied two days ago and now says, they kept the yield rate hope to get better yields beginning of 2010(!!!!)! Perhaps someone should tell them, that 2009 has a christmas, too!

    Sometimes you lose, sometimes others win! And if you don't have luck, you get bad luck additionally!

    Well, I think it would have been hell on earth for Nvidia fan boys, if AMD had a very good yield with R800. So at least some people are happy...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
      The payout is the cash part of the settlement. There's going to be verbiage not disclosed to us as part of that- if Intel's paying $1.5B, that's quite a bit of cash and translates into some clauses that they have to have probably agreed to that would allow AMD to drag them right back into court over if they don't quit doing many of the things they were doing.
      $1.25B not $1.5B. The Associated Press has a more informative write up: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/200911...amd_settlement

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      • #18
        You didn't get it right. AMD is in a deep sh*t right now, and Intel just helps its only competitor to stay afloat.

        If AMD dies, Intel will stop to exist as a whole corporation - it'll be torn apart by antimonopoly agencies.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by birdie View Post
          You didn't get it right. AMD is in a deep sh*t right now, and Intel just helps its only competitor to stay afloat.
          They just restructured by firing 1/3 of their staff and no longer manufacture their own chips. What's to worry about?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by birdie View Post
            You didn't get it right. AMD is in a deep sh*t right now, and Intel just helps its only competitor to stay afloat.

            If AMD dies, Intel will stop to exist as a whole corporation - it'll be torn apart by antimonopoly agencies.
            Thats not it at all.
            Intel *has been* and *still is* on the hook for illegal business practices.

            What has happened is this;
            AMD convinced Intel to GIVE UP THEIR DEFENCE. AMD now has a pile of cash out of it and an AGREEMENT from Intel that they *won't do that any more*.

            Which means no more paying off specific major system vendors to keep them from buying AMD parts.

            Fact is that AMD has *always* been much smaller than Intel. This is nothing new. But what happens when your competitor, who HAS a near-monopoly, makes under the table deals/threats to MOST of your potential market specifically to the purpose of ensuring that they will NEVER be your customer? Because that is what was happening.

            Its the same kind of BS that MS pulls with hardware vendors... if you only sell hardware with *our* OS, then we'll give you a $50 discount -- if you don't agree to this, then we won't license you to distribute our crappy OS *at all*.

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            • #21
              Hehe. Okay, nice news to me.
              But then, yes, I believe even though it is a lot of money intel still came off quite cheap. And so they admit their faulty deeds. Well.
              Next thing is that the argument of intel having interest in keeping AMD alive is truly valid.
              First, withouth AMD there would be far less innovation, intel would be lazy and we'd still have these power hungry P4 sold for prices up to the moon (I still remember the 486 times, they cut off 50% of price within a week).
              And yes, I also think that anti monopoly agencies would quite hack them to pieces, which is probably intel's concern.
              I mean, there'd only be VIA left and Transmeta is already out of business in the x86 field.
              Even the governments heavily rely on x86 tech (I mean most people today really do, knowing it or not) and nobody there would want a price dictatorship.

              Its probably good to have now at least these 3 players in the x86-market. Compatible in hardware but each one doing innovations and all of them having to keep prices on reasonable levels.

              So I hope AMD will use the money well. If I wouldn't gift myself a little (but still relatively expensive) ARM machine for christmas it'd be another AMD. Well then, there is still new year that should hopefully bring me a little financial aid that I might invest in GlobalFoundries/AMD and some free software services/books.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by birdie View Post
                You didn't get it right. AMD is in a deep sh*t right now, and Intel just helps its only competitor to stay afloat.

                If AMD dies, Intel will stop to exist as a whole corporation - it'll be torn apart by antimonopoly agencies.
                True, this is something that they must fear considerably. =/ Maybe this is why MS doesn't buy out linux / mac os etc...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post
                  If AMD dies, Intel will stop to exist as a whole corporation - it'll be torn apart by antimonopoly agencies.
                  I'm not sure how Intel could really be broken up in a way that diminishes its monopoly power. It's not like Microsoft where the proposed breakup would have separated two product lines that were independently viable and already being sold separately, or AT&T, where a national monopoly could be broken up into regional monopolies.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by b15hop View Post
                    Maybe this is why MS doesn't buy out linux / mac os etc...
                    You can't buy out linux.

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                    • #25
                      Hi Yall,

                      CONGRATZ AMD/ATI & JERRY, THIS DEAL HAS BEEN A *VERY* LONG TIME COMING. :-D

                      Party happened, to mark this. :-)

                      Now, PLEASE hire some more software guys, so the FGLRX work can make progress faster.

                      Greekgeek :-)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by GreekGeek View Post
                        Now, PLEASE hire some more software guys, so the FGLRX work can make progress faster.
                        Why?
                        fglrx should stick with embedded stuff since it can never offer any kind of benefits out-of-the-box (due to licensing issues).

                        R600G is where the future is. And that is where the bulk of development must be pushed.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
                          I'm not sure how Intel could really be broken up in a way that diminishes its monopoly power.
                          Make their patents public domain. Who doesn't want hyperthreading in their Athlon II or Nano? :-)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            Why?
                            fglrx should stick with embedded stuff since it can never offer any kind of benefits out-of-the-box (due to licensing issues).

                            R600G is where the future is. And that is where the bulk of development must be pushed.
                            Care to elaborate? AFAIK, Catalyst's license allows distributions to bundle the driver with them; it's just that most "mainstream" distros still keep their "only open source software enabled by default" policy.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Zapitron View Post
                              Make their patents public domain. Who doesn't want hyperthreading in their Athlon II or Nano? :-)
                              I don't. Hyperthreading is one of those concepts that sorta makes sense in theory, but in this era of multi-core systems, adds a lot of complexity for little gain in the real world use cases.

                              On a single core system, it makes a lot of sense as it DOES help with perceived latency. On a dual core, it massively complicates scheduling, and the perceived latency benefits are reduced. There are also many benchmarks that show it slows down well tuned applications, even on single core. (This is completely ignoring the benchmarks where it brings a dual core down to 50% performance.)

                              Hyperthreading is, in my opinion, best summarized on modern multi-core chips with it's first 4 letters... Hype.

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                              • #30
                                I was always under the impression that hyperthreading existed only to help manage MS's really really crappy process scheduler by taking some of that process scheduling away from MS.

                                Originally posted by RobbieAB View Post
                                I don't. Hyperthreading is one of those concepts that sorta makes sense in theory, but in this era of multi-core systems, adds a lot of complexity for little gain in the real world use cases.

                                On a single core system, it makes a lot of sense as it DOES help with perceived latency. On a dual core, it massively complicates scheduling, and the perceived latency benefits are reduced. There are also many benchmarks that show it slows down well tuned applications, even on single core. (This is completely ignoring the benchmarks where it brings a dual core down to 50% performance.)

                                Hyperthreading is, in my opinion, best summarized on modern multi-core chips with it's first 4 letters... Hype.

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