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  • #16
    Originally posted by jstokes View Post
    hopefully ati will fix the drivers in the near future to run wine better.
    And who will fix Wine to run better on non-NVidia cards? Currently, the only things missing from Wine is the "NVidia: The Way It's Meant To Be Played" logo.

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    • #17
      My recommendation for a very awesome system at a very affordable price would be:

      *) CPU: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 along with Gigabyte EP45-DS3L mobo,
      *) GPU: NVidia 9800GT (possibly EVGA dual slot).

      Reasons: Intel Core2Duo E8400 is 45nm low voltage with stock speed of 3.0GHz and highly overclockable to upto 4.0 - 4.4GHz. Price of about 150 USD or so is reasonable. Might require a good cooler like a Zalman copper. This motherboard at about 100 USD is also affordable and full featured along with quite some overclocking potential. Stock FSB is 1333MHz I guess and can be OC'ed to 1600. Together with fast cheap DDR2 1200+ should be a good combo.
      Nvidia 9800GT sells at about 100USD and can run through most demanding games at decent quality (I am happy with either 1280x720 high details or 1920x1080 medium details ).

      As an aside, I recently got a ASUS G50VT-X6 notebook from Newegg ~1300USD. It has the Penryn P8700 @ 2.53 GHz (which can be OC'ed to 3GHz in Windows) and Nvidia 9800M GS. It is a killer. It actually deserves a review in Phoronix ! (On windows, I can play GRID at 1680x1050 high details smoothly, On linux, Doom3 gives ~100fps at 1680x1050.) So above mentioned system should be very sufficient.

      PS : It would be nice to have DDR3 for both the bandwidth and lower power consumption. But pretty expensive at the moment, especially good ones with low latency. So I guess DDR2 should do good.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by hdas View Post
        I can play GRID at 1680x1050 high details smoothly
        Grid runs much better on ATI though. *Much* better. It's one of the few exceptions though where ATI wins.

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        • #19
          an even more affordable setup (it's my current one):

          - AMD Phenom X4 9350e (no OC, just stock settings -> 65W/2GHz)
          - NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT (a ZOTAC one, in my case, the cheapest I could find here in Spain)

          On Windows Vista (yes, I know, it $ucks) I can run the vast majority of games with all maxed settings and antialiasing at a very smooth framerate.

          On Linux, I don't still know, I'm still in the process of re-bootstrapping my x64 pure CLFS build against the latest kernel (mainly to get rid of any quirks in glibc, --with-kernel=current FTW)

          Pair that setup with a 500GB hard disk and toss a good optical drive (mine's a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD CD/DVD rewriter combo) and you can have a very good system ^_^

          (I'm just stuck at trying to know where the hell am I going to get the GLU headers from :S)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jstokes View Post
            hopefully ati will fix the drivers in the near future...
            Do you have any idea how long everyone's been saying that? I never had an fglrx release that was "just right" - either one thing was busted, or it was another. When one problem got fixed, another one popped up.

            If it were me, I'd stick with the Phenom but throw in a GeForce 8 or 9 series card (substitute "Phenom" with "Athlon X2", and that actually IS what I'm doing). Maybe in a few months (when X developers have had their way with the sample code and hardware specifications) spring for an R600/700 and go with xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
              And who will fix Wine to run better on non-NVidia cards? Currently, the only things missing from Wine is the "NVidia: The Way It's Meant To Be Played" logo.
              thats not true.

              i watch wine on ati carts over more than a year now.

              they fix ati problems.... and makes thinks better..

              but.. yes ATI carts lags support...

              DX7 game works well (testet OFP and 3dmark2000 and 2001)

              DX8 games works well to 3dmark03 works well only litle problems grafic errors in 1-2 scenes.. i also test chuhulu dark corner of the erd.

              DX9b works well to--- 3dmark03...


              DX9c do not work.... becourse Opengl2.1 do not have extansions for this..

              wine uses nvidia only extansions for dx9C....

              but now opengl3 is there.. and wine starts to fix that with opengl3 exstanions..

              and so one.. for now nvidia wins.... in the future ATI will work to..

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kano View Post
                The price is interesting, but that's all. Just don't blame anybody that nobody told you before when you run into troubles.
                i play on ATI in wine.. all up to DX9B shader2.. works well..

                yes most importand games are DX9C shader3... i know..

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jeffro-tull View Post
                  Do you have any idea how long everyone's been saying that? I never had an fglrx release that was "just right" - either one thing was busted, or it was another. When one problem got fixed, another one popped up.

                  If it were me, I'd stick with the Phenom but throw in a GeForce 8 or 9 series card (substitute "Phenom" with "Athlon X2", and that actually IS what I'm doing). Maybe in a few months (when X developers have had their way with the sample code and hardware specifications) spring for an R600/700 and go with xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd.
                  in 8.4 they chance code base YES PROBLEMS.....
                  in 9.2 they fixet the most of the problems..

                  catalyst 9.3 works well on my system right now....
                  what is your problem ?


                  i think the overall godlikefix for the catalyst will be the radeonhd driver :-)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                    catalyst 9.3 works well on my system right now....
                    what is your problem ?
                    The problem is, as I see it, nobody has 9.3 yet, let alone 9.2. So nobody can verify your claims that 9.3 fixes everything or that it fixes anything.

                    I can't speak for anyone else, but for one, I find it annoying as hell that you talk about releases that aren't out and that you shouldn't have, and I really don't trust your assertations that they fix the problems that everyone seems to have with the drivers.

                    I guess that's my problem.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jonnycat26 View Post
                      The problem is, as I see it, nobody has 9.3 yet, let alone 9.2. So nobody can verify your claims that 9.3 fixes everything or that it fixes anything.

                      I can't speak for anyone else, but for one, I find it annoying as hell that you talk about releases that aren't out and that you shouldn't have, and I really don't trust your assertations that they fix the problems that everyone seems to have with the drivers.

                      I guess that's my problem.
                      o yes... for me its work gread.
                      in 9-2 composit+vx works.

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