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  • Apple's MacBook (2,1) Now Can Boot With Coreboot

    Phoronix: Apple's MacBook (2,1) Now Can Boot With Coreboot

    After the Lenovo X200 support the latest laptop supporting Coreboot is Apple's second-generation MacBook...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTc2NTU

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    We keep seeing Coreboot advancing which is great, but what will it take for firms to begin to decide to ship their motherboards with Coreboot instead of a standard BIOS? I'd have thought that they'd have liked the idea as it would reduce their costs.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
      We keep seeing Coreboot advancing which is great, but what will it take for firms to begin to decide to ship their motherboards with Coreboot instead of a standard BIOS? I'd have thought that they'd have liked the idea as it would reduce their costs.
      They're all probably waiting for someone else to be the guinea pig for a CoreBoot+Payload combination that provides a menu-driven, configurable UEFI offering.

      If I remember correctly, Chromebooks are using CoreBoot in a manner more like the "edit boot.txt on the flash for basic configuration, recompile and reflash U-Boot for more advanced modifications" setups you tend to see on ARM devices.

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      • #4
        Stop buying macbooks, people!

        At least if you plan on running anything other than osx on them.
        This is a long thread (spanning several months), but there is great info about the problems with running alternate OSs on mac hardware.
        https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipe...ne/009932.html

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        • #5
          Originally posted by liam View Post
          At least if you plan on running anything other than osx on them.
          This is a long thread (spanning several months), but there is great info about the problems with running alternate OSs on mac hardware.
          https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipe...ne/009932.html
          I couldn't find the "great info" about the problems with mac hardware, but instead I got this:

          Another approach I took was refusing the premise we even need OS X boot entries in GRUB, so why not just disable os-prober on Macs, and then the four broken OS X options won't even appear. Instead the user can use the built-in firmware boot manager to boot either Fedora or OS X. Maybe there's some legitimate concern some users won't know how to activate this boot manager using the option key at the startup chime? This RFE was likewise proposed a while ago, changed to something else, neither proposal going forward, and then being close without action.
          Did I miss something?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
            I couldn't find the "great info"...
            The polite behavior of anonymous internet forum folk never ceases to inspire...

            Originally posted by Chris Murphy
            And actually, there are bigger Mac problems than this: wireless, bluetooth, trackpad, and overheating/MCE problems are much worse, maybe deal killers. (At least I can't use Fedora, or any linux, full time right now. It's just way too frustrating, and may even be cooking themselves. [1])
            That is great info, imho. There was more info about various problems with virtual machines/excessive memory use related to running non-osx software on a platform designed to run osx software.
            As I said, the thread is pretty long, and spans several months. To read the entire thread you actually have to click through the different months.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
              We keep seeing Coreboot advancing which is great, but what will it take for firms to begin to decide to ship their motherboards with Coreboot instead of a standard BIOS? I'd have thought that they'd have liked the idea as it would reduce their costs.
              Try never. What value does a Motherboard manufacturer gain by making Coreboot [LinuxBIOS] ahead of BIOS vendors and UEFI?

              Sorry, but these advances are for systems basically no longer under support of any kind, thus 5+ years old.

              Every vendor is adopting UEFI.

              Get used to it.

              The GPLv2 license makes it DOA. GPLv3 would be the ultimate kiss of death.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
                Try never. What value does a Motherboard manufacturer gain by making Coreboot [LinuxBIOS] ahead of BIOS vendors and UEFI?
                A security clearance.
                If you buy a motherboard running coreboot, and you get the source to that, it essentially means that the motherboard does not contain unknown SMI-based backdoors.
                This is essential for secret services.
                It would not be the first time a "callhome" was hidden in the SMI.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by liam View Post
                  This is a long thread (spanning several months), but there is great info about the problems with running alternate OSs on mac hardware.[/url]
                  Yawn... an anti-Apple troll, never seen one of those before on the Internet. You *really* want us to pay the Microsoft tax, don't you? Next you're going to tell me how I could have saved $200 by buying a (not equivalent & IMO inferior build quality - and I researched fairly carefully at the time) laptop - like for some reason you think that $2000 for the device I use most in my house is a waste of money... Or maybe you think that I am on low wage and can't afford nice stuff...

                  Yes, I have a Mac. Yes, I have been running Linux just fine on it for a few years now - and that's why I bought it. Bluetooth, Wireless, Battery, suspend and resume. So yes it turns out that Macs are just UEFI Intel boxes, and there aren't that many different versions of the hardware either. I know people who run Windows on Macs too...


                  Only problem I have with it? I bought the Nvidia graphics one and Nouveau is not great, I should have gone with Intel... There's a bit of advice Mac or no Mac.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
                    Yawn... an anti-Apple troll, never seen one of those before on the Internet. You *really* want us to pay the Microsoft tax, don't you? Next you're going to tell me how I could have saved $200 by buying a (not equivalent & IMO inferior build quality - and I researched fairly carefully at the time) laptop - like for some reason you think that $2000 for the device I use most in my house is a waste of money... Or maybe you think that I am on low wage and can't afford nice stuff...

                    Yes, I have a Mac. Yes, I have been running Linux just fine on it for a few years now - and that's why I bought it. Bluetooth, Wireless, Battery, suspend and resume. So yes it turns out that Macs are just UEFI Intel boxes, and there aren't that many different versions of the hardware either. I know people who run Windows on Macs too...


                    Only problem I have with it? I bought the Nvidia graphics one and Nouveau is not great, I should have gone with Intel... There's a bit of advice Mac or no Mac.
                    Well, one thing you should know about me, I am a rabid anti-apple troll
                    Read the thread if you think they are just uefi boxes. Matthew garrett's, on going, work getting macs to work with linux seems to indicate otherwise.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by liam View Post
                      Matthew garrett's, on going, work getting macs to work with linux seems to indicate otherwise.
                      No I'm not going to read yet another anti-Apple troll thread, but I will thank MatthewG for his work on Macs. To be clear, my MacBook was that first laptop that I have bought where *everything* worked under vanilla Linux. Even my "eeePC" laptop that actually shipped with Linux pre-installed had BLOBs for wireless drivers and suspend/resume issues (as well as having totally thrash hardware).

                      I'll actually go as far as *thanking* Apple for the iPhone/iPad and for using OpenSource WebKit and Unix. If it wasn't for Apple, realistically we'd still be in a world trying to reverse engineer IE6, Flash and ActiveX controls.

                      P.S. Sorry for ranting - the pointless anti-Apple stuff really annoys me, having lived through the days when you didn't have any choices *at all* when buying your computer. Even now Linux isn't really available as an option for most people - certainly I can't find the Linux aisle in my local computer shop. Like it or not - it's Microsoft or Apple.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
                        I'll actually go as far as *thanking* Apple for the iPhone/iPad and for using OpenSource WebKit and Unix. If it wasn't for Apple, realistically we'd still be in a world trying to reverse engineer IE6, Flash and ActiveX controls.
                        Isn't that rewriting history a bit? It was Firefox, not Safari, that forced ie/activex websites to be more standards-compliant. Apple can only be thanked for helping to kill Flash out of those three.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OneTimeShot View Post
                          No I'm not going to read yet another anti-Apple troll thread, but I will thank MatthewG for his work on Macs. To be clear, my MacBook was that first laptop that I have bought where *everything* worked under vanilla Linux. Even my "eeePC" laptop that actually shipped with Linux pre-installed had BLOBs for wireless drivers and suspend/resume issues (as well as having totally thrash hardware).
                          The Broadcom WiFi card in the Macbooks uses blobs. End of discussion.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by curaga View Post
                            Isn't that rewriting history a bit? It was Firefox, not Safari, that forced ie/activex websites to be more standards-compliant. Apple can only be thanked for helping to kill Flash out of those three.
                            No, actually I believe he is right (however Opera also was campaigning at the same time for the same thing). Mozilla seemed to join in later on in the game.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                              The Broadcom WiFi card in the Macbooks uses blobs. End of discussion.
                              Ok - not sure if I'd blame Apple directly for Broadcom's or NVidia's Linux support, but my Macbook wireless just works without additional blobs. I presume that your issue would also affect Dells or HP if they used those Wifi cards?


                              Re: Firefox - I definitely don't want to undervalue the fantastic work Mozilla did in the darkest of hours, but sadly my recollection of history is this:

                              Firefox users: Could you fix line 1234 of xxx.html so that the website works in Firefox?
                              IT: This website is supported on Windows XP in IE6 running as Administrator.
                              CEO: I bought a Macbook Air, why doesn't this website work?
                              IT: Yes, Sir!

                              Linux users: We don't like Flash much.
                              IT: This website is supported on Windows XP in IE6 running as Administrator.
                              CEO: I bought an iPhone, why doesn't this website work?
                              IT: Yes, Sir!

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