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  • ASRock AM1H-ITX: One Of The Best AM1 Mini-ITX Motherboards

    Phoronix: ASRock AM1H-ITX: One Of The Best AM1 Mini-ITX Motherboards

    For those looking out for an affordable mini-ITX motherboard for AMD's new AM1 APUs, the ASRock AM1H-ITX is a very interesting and versatile motherboard.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=20301

  • #2
    Michael,

    I prefer the ASUS Mobo for OC and talking about that did you tried, besides base clock to 105MHz and Multiplier to 21, increase NB frequency ?

    I made that test in a Trinity with a FM2+ MoBo and i'm getting better results in games.

    How about in the ASUS AM1 MoBo you bump NB up to same frequency as OC'ed RAM, 1680MHz ?

    There is also a site that is reporting that with ASUS MoBo it can be possible OC a 5150 with base clock to 132 making both CPU and RAM work at 2112MHz when using 2133MHz RAM module, and iGPU reached almost to 800MHz...

    (Link by KiSUAN)
    http://goo.gl/UPtPaF

    There were there other results like making the 5150 run at 2367MHz in CPU , 600MHz in the GPU and RAM at 1973Mhz using Kingston RAM that was 1866MHz!!!


    It's possible that you need set SATA to IDE mode to go above 105 base clock...

    Can you make tests that copnfirm this and also check out what can be done with a 5350 ?

    ....and check what can be done as for NB frequency ?


    I believe that these Jaguars have a lot to give us, in special when paired with fast RAM and the ASUS MoBos

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    • #3
      Lots of Risk for Little Reward

      Originally posted by AJSB View Post
      I prefer the ASUS Mobo for OC and talking about that did you tried, besides base clock to 105MHz and Multiplier to 21, increase NB frequency ?

      I made that test in a Trinity with a FM2+ MoBo and i'm getting better results in games.
      OC'ing a Kabini board? Is it really worth the risk to system stability for a few bits of increased performance? I think not. Sure, it's fun to try and to see what happens, but really, it seems like wasted time and wasted effort. What is the goal of such an effort? To play games? Or something else? I can't figure out your goal from your post.

      Sure, OC'ing a FM2 series mobo and related processors should give better results...but consider the target market for that hardware.

      Would I consider building a NAS on the ASrock mobo that Michael reviewed? Sure I would consider it, but I prefer SuperMicro boards for servers; they have a longer "support life", more "server like" options, and they actually test their boards with different OS including Redhat Enterprise Linux.

      This board has an onboard 24-pin ATX power so I could use a bigger power supply for more power hungry drives. This board has 4 SATA connectors. This board has an x4 PCIe slot that might support a SuperMicro LSI-based HBA that supports 8 drives into x4. So a total of 12 SATA drives, and SATA2 or SATA3 performance doesn't make much difference here.

      The mobo will support up to 16GB of RAM so ZFS without ECC memory (yes, the ZFS harcore would say not to do that) is possible, but we don't know if this board will support ECC and RAID5 has it's own issues regardless of ECC or non-ECC. Then we have to worry about any issues with Linux support for AMD-specific aspects of the memory management functions within Kabini.

      Then there is the Realtek NIC. Not my favorite choice of NICs, but this is a budget board. So just don't try to push this board with heavy network loads or "the ghost of Realtek" will magically appear and ruin your day...and your data.

      Sad to say the mini PCIe slot looks like "half a slot", like it was designed for half-slot mini-PCIe Wi-Fi addon cards. That makes mSATA drive choices very difficult, assuming the half-slot is compatible with mSATA and the system can boot from that slot. I have seen few half-slot mSATA boards and they can be "hard to find". I found the Transcend brand at TigerDirect in sizes up to 64GB and up to ~90 USD.

      So I guess building a NAS on this board could be possible, but don't expect all the high-end frills that you can find on other boards. Remember the target market for these boards and this CPU.
      Last edited by NotMine999; 04-27-2014, 05:16 PM.

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      • #4
        Its indeed it all depends for what we need a MoBo...as for this MoBo good for a small and compact NAS,etc. it all depends of many drives you want and how powerfull must it...for people with small needs the models from ASRock can easely have a ODD, 2 HDD (there even already 2.5 HDDs with 2TB in standard 9.5mm z-height) and a regular SSD.
        mPCIe is indeed only for WiFi/BT cards.

        The other model from ASRock is also great for who needs legacy connectors , like Paralel port.

        ASUS is a nice option for light gaming on a budget...and if i managed to play games like CoH , WiCSA , CoD2 , BF2 (stock game or with light mods, heavy mods, no) UT4 ,etc. with a E-350, you can be sure i can do it much better (more modern games and/or with higher settings) with an AM1 in special if it s paired with a MoBo that lets OC quite nicelly much more than expected...

        The ASUS Mobo is also great for who needs Legacy connectors in special Serial port (nice to have it to program uC)

        Then we have to consider other aspects like thermal limits and how easy is to cool down a rig...when you make small rigs like i do (and by small i mean 210x220x65mm ,with a ODD inside or 200x220x56mm without ODD) there are serious limits to how much powerfull can be the rig and still stand ambient temperatures of 30-40C.

        It simply can't be done with a Kaveri A10 or even a Kaveri A8....the power drain is not a problem, the problem is to remove the heat build up.
        Sure, i couild set a A10-7850K to cTDP of 45W with some MoBos...butinfo that i have is that then its cores are running at only 1100MHz...
        No matter how good the cores are and everything else like dual channel, i don-t think a A10-7850K will be a match to a 5150/5350 OC that will still drain less enerrgy...


        I struggle even to control a A6-5400K to keep it under 60C all the time even when playinbg games.
        The AM1 is a great plantform to make that kind of builds....

        As for it's cooler be 40mm thick , that won't be a problem....i downloaded a AMD doc in PDF with full cooler details and i figured out that i can DIY a custom heatsink in skived full copper and make the all thing, including 3rd party fan, 22.5mm tall (total size will be 70x70x22.5mm including 70x70x10mm fan that actually is not noisy at all in special because these AM1 MoBos let us make profiles using voltage or PẀM control that will allow low enough RPM when APU in light load to mkae it very quiet (even at full speed vthe fan is not that noisy))..

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NotMine999 View Post
          OC'ing a Kabini board? Is it really worth the risk to system stability for a few bits of increased performance? I think not. Sure, it's fun to try and to see what happens, but really, it seems like wasted time and wasted effort. What is the goal of such an effort? To play games? Or something else? I can't figure out your goal from your post.
          Stability and hardware life are not adversely affected if you aren't over volting or maxing out the clock. You find out where it finally gets unstable then back it off a bit, increase cooling if necessary, actually, increase the cooling capacity to also reduce noise. I've been overclocking since my 286SX 16Mhz that I got to run at 25Mhz, I've never had stability problems and never damaged any of my hardware.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AJSB View Post
            mPCIe is indeed only for WiFi/BT cards.
            1Tb mSATA Samsung 640 EVO SSD drive for the mPCIe slot http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147318

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kivada View Post
              1Tb mSATA Samsung 640 EVO SSD drive for the mPCIe slot http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147318
              The slot seems the same but if it's wired properly, it will not work, also that's a full size mSATA card....good for ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ for example but not for this MoBo even if it supported mSATA protocol, witch it doesn't seem so.

              The maximum size that i found for sure till now in half size mSATA cards is 128GB....there is also half size bare (only the mainboard with chips and SATA connectors, no case) SSD cards with bigger capacities.

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              • #8
                Reading posts at overclock.net, seems that 5150 (and almost for sure also the 5350) are fully stable in all types of stress tests up to 132MHz BCLK...but like i said, we need set SATA to IDE mode...i yet didn't got answer from one of users doing it if he/she is using VGA , HDMI or DVI-D...

                That user also said that at 133MHz BCLK some instability starts to happen in some stress tests and some video problems...i wonder if video problems are in VGA....nevertheless, the user pushed all the way up to 148 BCLK.

                The results are very impressive and with 132MHz BCLK and RAM running at 2112MHz power drain increases only 5W.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                  but like i said, we need set SATA to IDE mode...
                  Maybe they turn off everything that SoC supports , and then use Azalia USB3 (or Azalia SATAs if board have it) drives or some aditional cards. Who knows maybe then APU will allow to be more clocked .

                  But i see here it is possibile with my board even 154 clock so 3157MHz for Athlon 5350 is possibile .

                  http://hwbot.org/submission/2536243_...50_3156.84_mhz

                  Joking OK that is unusable in real world . But i am seeing, results on some places 2.53GHz:

                  http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8...id=23209301886

                  That looks like max resonable overclock with the normal cooler . Of course if someone is lucky to get and be stable there .
                  Last edited by dungeon; 04-28-2014, 04:28 PM.

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                  • #10
                    But i can see one thing more, everyone who overclock those Athlon 5350 to more than 2200MHz... simply just not use iGPU from SoC, but other graphics in PCIE slot .

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                    • #11
                      Eh, for the thread... Michael, could you do R3 governor impact/overhead : performance vs ondemand . I am seeing there 7%-30+% difference depending of gaming scenarios with both (but different) drivers, fglrx or radeon ;D.

                      It is always good to remember, just turn on performance governor when you gaming .
                      Last edited by dungeon; 04-28-2014, 05:35 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                        But i can see one thing more, everyone who overclock those Athlon 5350 to more than 2200MHz... simply just not use iGPU from SoC, but other graphics in PCIE slot .
                        Not so.The only guy i saw using dGPU was that guy that was also using Nitrogen to cool it of....all other were using the iGPU and AFAIK, air cooling.

                        This is self evident taking in account that for a BCLK of 132MHz, the power drain only increases 5W...hardly enough to need Nitrogen.
                        Also, all others showed the values using iGPU, the thing is is that got unstable about 132MHz BCLK...

                        All info i found in several places inidicate 132 MHz limit for stable using the iGPU.

                        That gives a limit CPU clock for 5150 of 2112MHz and for the 5350 the limit is 2772MHz.
                        That's still a lot of speed and makes iGPU at 792MHz in both cases and RAM at 2112 MHz also in both cases.

                        So, in the case of 5150 is less than 2200MHz, in the case of the 5350 is still a good chunk above 2200MHz.

                        Anyway, the most important thing is, noticing by PHORONIX tests how well Kabini scales with faster RAM and how well scales with the limited OC done by PHORONIX , we have to wonder how well these things will work just because of the big bump in RAM speed from 1680 to 2112 MHz and the bump in the iGPU from 600 MHz to 792MHz...not to mention the bump in CPU clock in special in the case of the 5350.

                        The values of Cinebench,etc. are quite good.

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                        • #13
                          Yes i can do it also (for example multiplier on 21.0 and 121 for clock that is 2547MHz, but memory stays on 1613) and all works stable just SATA beyond 105 becomes unusable - that is the main problem . I tried setting it to IDE insted of AHCI but that does not help

                          But yes you can overclock it but that has downsides and you must use USBs and you can boot live distros from there no problem . What we mention here as stable overclock which is 2205MHz, that is because after that system as a whole, shows first signs of unstability - so if we can't use SATA or SATA3 speed that is not stable .
                          Last edited by dungeon; 04-28-2014, 08:38 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                            Yes i can do it also (for example multiplier on 21.0 and 121 for clock that is 2547MHz, but memory stays on 1613) and all works stable just SATA beyond 105 becomes unusable - that is the main problem . I tried setting it to IDE insted of AHCI but that does not help

                            But yes you can overclock it but that has downsides and you must use USBs and you can boot live distros from there no problem . What we mention here as stable overclock which is 2205MHz, that is because after that system as a whole, shows first signs of unstability - so if we can't use SATA or SATA3 speed that is not stable .

                            So, after all, you managed to kinda work over 105
                            Did VGA was still sending video signal out with BCLK at 121 ?

                            As for your problems, this is weird because OC'ers are not using USB Pens, however, some points...

                            1) IIRC, you are using the ASUS AM1M-A Mobo, ALL OC'ers are using the
                            AM1I-A....the MoBos are not exactly equal even in the power train (i.e. AM1I-A have a heatsink on it, yours not), there might be other things like the BIOS.

                            2) IIRC, you are using 1600MHz RAM, the OC'ers are using minimum of 1866MHz and usually 2133MHz RAM....i'm sure that if you use 2133MHz RAM and let BIOS RAM Speed in AUTO, it will achieve much faster speeds using 121MHz BCLK.
                            If it still fails to reach higher speeds , put BIOS with default settings, restart, go to BIOS change RAM frquency manually to 1600MHz, restart, enter BIOS again, change BCLK and Multiplier , restart and now it has to have faster speeds.

                            3) What's your NB frequency ?
                            Make sure that after increase RAM speed as much as possible with above, increase NB frequency to a frequency as close as possible to RAM speed...it increases not only performance but above all, it avoids lots of crashes and instability.

                            4)Are you using HDD or SSD ?
                            Do you have a Pen with Gparted Live ?
                            Make sure you have SATA defined to IDE in BIOS and restart before any
                            attempt to install OS in disc.
                            Format disc with Gparted Live, i do all my partitions Primary type, make sure you let in Gparted 1st partition with 1MB gap in the begin.
                            If it still fails making instalation or boot with APU OC'ed,
                            Make your APU with default values (except SATA that must be IDE), format and install with APU in default values, restart, OC APU, restart and see what happens.

                            Last resort, test with diferent brand/model of SSD/HDD...sometimes when messing with BCLK, some drives are more sensitive than others...

                            Hell, even if you don't mess with OC, some drives give problems, many PS4 owners are DIY upgrading their HDD with the Samsung M9T 2TB and had problems with it booting (some PS4s don't boot, others only boot if you keep power button pressed for a little more time)...theres workarounds but final solution is/was (dunno if Sony solved issue alread or not) with a firmware upgrade.

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                            • #15
                              People asking there the same question, he does not mention what type of HDD is and where is connected :

                              http://www.overclock.net/t/1483429/a...#post_22136691
                              and classic HDD disk.
                              What is classic HDD .

                              http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/pr...am1i-a?start=7
                              hard disk classic Western Digital 500 gigabytes
                              What is classic HDD . I have also classic Western Digital 1000 gigabytes .
                              Last edited by dungeon; 04-29-2014, 03:17 PM.

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