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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
    So Gigabyte sells a board which is Kaveri compatible, but ships with an outdated UEFI that does not support Kaveri, although Kaveri support can be added by flashing the firmware to the latest version.

    Way to go Gigabyte.
    It's called store/warehouse backstock. The board received by Larabel was shipped for Trinity and Richland, since Kaveri hadn't been released yet there was nothing for Gigabyte to test their BIOS/UEFI against.

    This is why every system builder buys the cheapest of the new socket launch chips., so that during transitional periods to newer processor architectures on the same socket you can put it in the board to update the BIOS.

    You'd know this if you built comps or did comp repair.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
      This is a pretty common issue with AMD boards of any brand - it's basically the side effect of them trying to allow backward compatiility. When AM3+ was released, it required a BIOS update with a non-FX CPU to upgrade it, including some of the black socket boards.

      Personally, I lucked out because I have a 3-year-old white socket motherboard that happens to be AM3+ compatible, and I used my old Athlon II to do the upgrade. I'm not sure what other people do when they buy a new board that doesn't ship with the upgrade and when they don't have an older CPU.
      Yeah, Intel "fixed" this problem by releasing a new socket for every change to their CPU architecture. Everything LGA775 and older had the same issue of mobo chipsets being able to run a new chip design, but the boards already shipped not having the necessary BIOS because they are sitting on a shelf somewhere other then the factory.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rexilion View Post
        Such a pity, I cannot find any PCIe 3 boards compatible with fx-8350. So it's all APU now... hmm :/
        PCIe3 doesn't help you unless you are doing 3+ card crossfire.

        No, the FX-9590 is the last CPU and the 990FX the high end for the AM3+ socket, with the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7 the most high end mobo

        AMD's roadmap says it's all APUs from here on out with the focus on HSA. They've partnered with most all of the ARM SoC manufacturers to ensure the concept gets entrenched.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by edgar_wibeau View Post
          Baconmon, you should check the question mark key on your keybord, seems to be broken. If your Lenovo is a ThinkPad, try thinkfan. Works fine for my E145 (Kabini aswell). Oh, and it's all in the article, Kaveri sensor is not in the kernel yet, but will be there in 3.14 which is the next release and not "some time in the future". Accordingt to the article.
          Oh wow, actually mine is the E145 also......and so I researched how to use thinkfan, and now it is working perfectly I guess, so thanks.. Before, I was just trying to use "fancontrol" instead of "thinkfan".......and I guess fancontrol can't really do much to control this laptop's fan..but thinkfan controls it perfectly.. so yay..

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Baconmon View Post
            Does the sensor exist? But just not supported by linux kernel yet?.. Meaning, some time in the future it will be supported?..
            I havea F2A88X-D3H right now - thats the full atx version and it has an IT8620 monitoring chip that is unsupported under Linux. Now if the XM uses the same chip, its a problem since the lm-sensors guys stated that ITE stopped sharing diagrams with them and thus new ITE chips ( are unlikely to be supported. I sent a mail to the kernel developer in charge of the it87 module and he said he didnt even hear about this chip model.
            Previously i had a F2A85X-D3H mobo that has a supported ITE 87xx monitoring chip and i supposed this one will use that too but it seems i was mistaken....

            But anyway, the mobo works fine, i have it for a few months now and had no issues with it (i have a A8-6500 APU with it). Thermal monitoring is still possible for both the CPU and IGP, but the reportred values from the k10temp (CPU) and radeon (GPU) drivers are not real ones especially when idle - instead they are used internally for thermal throttling and they approach real values when the chip is under load for some time (for example i have 3-5C reported when idle).

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            • #21
              Fan question..

              Originally posted by gradinaruvasile View Post
              I havea F2A88X-D3H right now
              Oh thanks for all that information..
              I have one more question also.....Can you control the fan speed with your motherboard or not?..
              I have a gigabyte AM3+ motherboard right now, but the default gigabyte BIOS/UEFI/ACPI thing that controls the fan speed always seems to run the CPU fan way faster than it needs to be....so I usually use fancontrol (or maybe I could use thinkfan also?) to make linux control the fan..

              I am wanting to buy a gigabyte FM2+ motherboard and an APU soon, but I am wondering....am I going to be able to control the fan speed?.. I don't want to sit there all day with a loud fan noise going constantly..that will drive me crazy..

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              • #22
                I have a Kaveri APU and fan speed was not a problem until now. The only time I heard the fan was when I entered the UEFI setup and let it sit there for ~half an hour, this makes the APU heat up like crazy. During normal operation under Linux the only noises I hear from the case are caused by the HDD/optical unit. This might change during the summer when the ambient temperature will rise, but I don't think it's an option to let the APU fry just so it's silent. I'd rather switch it to a lower TDP.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Baconmon View Post
                  Oh thanks for all that information..
                  I have one more question also.....Can you control the fan speed with your motherboard or not?..
                  I have a gigabyte AM3+ motherboard right now, but the default gigabyte BIOS/UEFI/ACPI thing that controls the fan speed always seems to run the CPU fan way faster than it needs to be....so I usually use fancontrol (or maybe I could use thinkfan also?) to make linux control the fan..

                  I am wanting to buy a gigabyte FM2+ motherboard and an APU soon, but I am wondering....am I going to be able to control the fan speed?.. I don't want to sit there all day with a loud fan noise going constantly..that will drive me crazy..
                  No issues with that and thus never needed it. As i said , i had both the 85x and 88x board versions - one with A8-5500, the other with A8-6500. None gave me any fan speed related issues. It seems the fan speed regulation is done by the BIOS, has nothing to do with lm-sensors (the ITE monitoring chip supplies the info to the BIOS and while its nice to see its output, its not required for throttling). You can see this in the BIOS/UEFI, where you do get dynamic fan speed throttling.
                  I have the computer on the table, case open (i often plug hdds for dd or various recovery/backup purposes) and the fans (one STOCK APU cooler and another case fan) around 40-50 cm from my face and barely hear it. If the CPU is under load, i can hear it spin up and down, in fact i can assess the load just by hearing it (the fan speed is perfectly in sync with the load/temp increase/decrease), but its not very loud in any case.
                  BTW i use the STOCK fan - you will see why i capitalized it if you see an AMD APU stock fan (its probably the smallest fan in existence for regular desktop CPUs).
                  Another thing is that both APUs i had are the 65w variants - and they dont seem to have any overheating issues (even with the above mentioned abysmally small stock cooler).
                  But i dont know what happens with the unlocked 100w models, i heard that those tend to heat up more.

                  @Ansla:

                  In the BIOS/UEFI there is no mechanism to scale the CPU/GPU speed down dynamically, you have it running full speed constantly, its normal to heat up to a certain temperature (50, maybe 60c with crappy default coolers). But higher (more than 60, 70 etc) indicates that it has inadequate cooling.
                  If you load all cores under the OS, it will heat up just the same while under load, only it will cool back down when it gets the chance. Additionally to the CPU, the OS will scale the integrated GPU speed too, lowering a few more degrees.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ansla View Post
                    I have a Kaveri APU and fan speed was not a problem until now. The only time I heard the fan was when I entered the UEFI setup and let it sit there for ~half an hour, this makes the APU heat up like crazy. During normal operation under Linux the only noises I hear from the case are caused by the HDD/optical unit. This might change during the summer when the ambient temperature will rise, but I don't think it's an option to let the APU fry just so it's silent. I'd rather switch it to a lower TDP.
                    Or just switch to a better after market cooler and low noise fans.

                    You can even go fanless with the A10-7950K if you have a nice airy case using this beast http://www.quietpc.com/nof-cr-100a
                    W/ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151122

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                    • #25
                      lm-sensors

                      Originally posted by gradinaruvasile View Post
                      I havea F2A88X-D3H right now - thats the full atx version and it has an IT8620 monitoring chip that is unsupported under Linux. Now if the XM uses the same chip, its a problem since the lm-sensors guys stated that ITE stopped sharing diagrams with them and thus new ITE chips ( are unlikely to be supported. I sent a mail to the kernel developer in charge of the it87 module and he said he didnt even hear about this chip model.
                      Previously i had a F2A85X-D3H mobo that has a supported ITE 87xx monitoring chip and i supposed this one will use that too but it seems i was mistaken....

                      But anyway, the mobo works fine, i have it for a few months now and had no issues with it (i have a A8-6500 APU with it). Thermal monitoring is still possible for both the CPU and IGP, but the reportred values from the k10temp (CPU) and radeon (GPU) drivers are not real ones especially when idle - instead they are used internally for thermal throttling and they approach real values when the chip is under load for some time (for example i have 3-5C reported when idle).
                      I also have a F2A88X-D3H MB and I've found that lm-sensors can be made to work if you force the it87 driver to load:

                      modprobe it87 force_id=0x8728

                      i.e. make it think it's the IT8728 chip instead of the IT8620. This gives a range of sensors with sensible looking values for temperatures, fan speeds and so on. This was on CentOS 6.5 (kernel 2.6.32-431.5.1) with the elrepo kmod-it87 driver.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Anglican View Post
                        I also have a F2A88X-D3H MB and I've found that lm-sensors can be made to work if you force the it87 driver to load:

                        modprobe it87 force_id=0x8728

                        i.e. make it think it's the IT8728 chip instead of the IT8620. This gives a range of sensors with sensible looking values for temperatures, fan speeds and so on. This was on CentOS 6.5 (kernel 2.6.32-431.5.1) with the elrepo kmod-it87 driver.
                        Wow. That actually works!!

                        Code:
                        ~# modprobe it87 force_id=0x8728
                        root@laca-desktop:~# sensors
                        k10temp-pci-00c3
                        Adapter: PCI adapter
                        temp1:         +3.8C  (high = +70.0C)
                                               (crit = +80.0C, hyst = +79.0C)
                        
                        radeon-pci-0008
                        Adapter: PCI adapter
                        temp1:         +3.0C  (crit = +120.0C, hyst = +90.0C)
                        
                        it8728-isa-0228
                        Adapter: ISA adapter
                        in0:          +0.78 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in1:          +1.63 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in2:          +2.03 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in3:          +2.04 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in4:          +2.00 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in5:          +2.22 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        in6:          +2.22 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +3.06 V)
                        3VSB:         +3.31 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +6.12 V)
                        Vbat:         +3.10 V  
                        fan1:        1588 RPM  (min =   10 RPM)
                        fan2:         910 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
                        fan3:           0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
                        fan4:           0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
                        fan5:           0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM)
                        temp1:        +30.0C  (low  = +127.0C, high = +127.0C)  sensor = thermistor
                        temp2:         -8.0C  (low  = +127.0C, high = +127.0C)  sensor = thermistor
                        temp3:        +16.0C  (low  =  +0.0C, high = +70.0C)  sensor = Intel PECI
                        intrusion0:  ALARM
                        Nice one.

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                        • #27
                          BTW the output looks exactly like that from the 85X board that has a supported IT87 chip so it really works.
                          I have a self-compiled kernel from git, i use Debian Testing 64 bit.

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                          • #28
                            A little addition to the thread:

                            The GA-E2100N (soldered Kabini) board also features the ITE IT8620 Super IO chip.
                            I couldn't read the chip info from any pix on the net (photos were just too small / bokeh blur) so I asked Gigabyte and they told me. Cause I wanted to buy one but I tend to make sure things work with the Penguin beforehand.

                            lm_sensors says there is currently no datasheet but the chip might be somewhat compatible to some other ITE but be careful and so on.
                            ( http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices )

                            Gnah! That board would have been really nice for a CarPC. And with SuperIO supported one could have started thinking about coreboot.
                            All other chips are normally Realtek and AMD and thus tend to work.

                            Also the hp635 Laptop (E350 matte screen, all Atheros, Realtek, AMD) uses an ITE IT8518 which is also unsupported.

                            I know Biostar is also somewhat Linux-ignorant but I ordered an AM1 (AM1MHP) and the ITE IT8728F is considered to be working. I'll see when the board arrives. Chances are that their soldered-Kabini (A68N-2100) also uses the same chip.

                            The Asus A88XPlus (A88X chipset but also 3 classic PCIs and lots of other interfaces) looks totally beautiful for a Kaveri setup but this Fintek F71811 still seems unsupported.


                            Maybe I, as an end-user, should write an email to ITE and Fintek?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Adarion View Post
                              A little addition to the thread:

                              The GA-E2100N (soldered Kabini) board also features the ITE IT8620 Super IO chip.
                              I couldn't read the chip info from any pix on the net (photos were just too small / bokeh blur) so I asked Gigabyte and they told me. Cause I wanted to buy one but I tend to make sure things work with the Penguin beforehand.

                              lm_sensors says there is currently no datasheet but the chip might be somewhat compatible to some other ITE but be careful and so on.
                              ( http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices )

                              Gnah! That board would have been really nice for a CarPC. And with SuperIO supported one could have started thinking about coreboot.
                              All other chips are normally Realtek and AMD and thus tend to work.

                              Also the hp635 Laptop (E350 matte screen, all Atheros, Realtek, AMD) uses an ITE IT8518 which is also unsupported.

                              I know Biostar is also somewhat Linux-ignorant but I ordered an AM1 (AM1MHP) and the ITE IT8728F is considered to be working. I'll see when the board arrives. Chances are that their soldered-Kabini (A68N-2100) also uses the same chip.

                              The Asus A88XPlus (A88X chipset but also 3 classic PCIs and lots of other interfaces) looks totally beautiful for a Kaveri setup but this Fintek F71811 still seems unsupported.


                              Maybe I, as an end-user, should write an email to ITE and Fintek?
                              Did you tried
                              Code:
                              sudo modprobe it87 force_id=0x8728
                              then
                              Code:
                              sensors
                              ?

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                              • #30
                                I can't get lm-sensors tp work on this board. I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 with kernel 3.12.0-7. Default sensors-detect gives me "Sorry, no sensors were detected". I then did download and run a current sensors-detect by
                                Code:
                                cd /tmp
                                wget http://www.lm-sensors.org/svn/lm-sensors/trunk/prog/detect/sensors-detect
                                sudo perl sensors-detect
                                This found the ITE IT8620E Super IO sensors with the note "Driver 'to be written'" and an AMD Family 15h thermal sensors with the driver k10temp.

                                I then tried various ways forward and sensors did run showing the data of the IT8620E, but I think non from the AMD CPU. However when I reboot the machine ALL config done on lm-sensors is gone and the sensors command gives me a "No sensors found" again :-(

                                This machine will be for my sister to run VDR, Kodi and OwnCloud, but with the default fan-control by the Gigabyte BIOS it's total crap and loud as hell.

                                So please could somebody tell me how to continue properly after running "sudo perl sensors-detect"!

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