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  • #31
    Gigabyte is just another pro-microsoftie crappy vendor, that joins the glorius parade of idiots among with Logitech, Adobe et al.

    How do you spot a crappy vendor? This easy:

    If you ever have a problem with hardware, and you mention in any location that you use Linux (or BSD etc, no matter) you immediately get response:
    Sorry, we currently do not support Linux.

    The problem does not have even to originate from Linux or OS itself, at all. You immediately will get this response.
    I think it is actually a global case and it is written on their note tables and discussed on meeting.

    This is work of microsoft, to protect one of columns of its monopoly.

    1) Hardware vendors/drivers.
    2) Preinstallations via OEM illegal agreements(either 100% microsoft preinstall or pay full price) to achieve MASS distribution.
    3) Control over major protocols and standarts.


    So, what can you do about it?

    Simple!

    Should you happen to purchase ANY hardware in RETAIL store, just shout out loud that microsoft, logitech, gigabyte et al are for retards


    BTW, do you know how to update/reflash your BIOS EEPROM when using Gigabytes?
    Right, their BIOS updates are packed in .exe binaries! Only Gigabyte does this!
    Luckily, that are not some custom installers, but just 7z self extracting archives! So p7zip can extract it directly, like it were .7z!

    If you happen to run on these instructions in Gigabyte forum, how to extract this BIOS .exe in Linux, do know I wrote it for them(Gigabyte).



    Buy Asrock / ASUS if you need consumer motherboard.

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    • #32
      Uh, forgot to add. Regarding other motherboard vendors. Unlike Gigabyte, that states their motherboards are for Windows only, other state that their motherboard may be compatible with non-windows systems, but they can not guarantee that. And if you happen to have a problem, they will listen it up and if its their fault they will correct it, regardless of OS you use. That was my experience with ASUS.

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      • #33
        Good to know ... I won't buy gigabyte boards anymore.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          Uh, forgot to add. Regarding other motherboard vendors. Unlike Gigabyte, that states their motherboards are for Windows only, other state that their motherboard may be compatible with non-windows systems, but they can not guarantee that. And if you happen to have a problem, they will listen it up and if its their fault they will correct it, regardless of OS you use. That was my experience with ASUS.
          Only if you know how to reach the right people at Asus which is basically completely skip regional support and call Asus HQ directly.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by lucx View Post
            I'am stil getting bios updates for my 4 years old mb a7n8x-e from asus.
            Last BIOS update for that board was in 2009.

            ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...orce2/a7n8x-e/

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            • #36
              Gygabyte and Phoronix just increased my workload

              My boss just called me after reading this, to make me change an order of 25 gygabyte boards we had. Now I'll have to choose one from Tyan and test it for another month.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tundra View Post
                My boss just called me after reading this, to make me change an order of 25 gygabyte boards we had. Now I'll have to choose one from Tyan and test it for another month.
                Your boss did the right thing!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Tundra View Post
                  My boss just called me after reading this, to make me change an order of 25 gygabyte boards we had. Now I'll have to choose one from Tyan and test it for another month.
                  That makes no sense. Why did you choose Gigabyte in the first place when they had made no claims of Linux support to start with? And why does publicly stating what was already implicitly stated change anything?

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                  • #39
                    Honestly we shouldn't be surprised, is there really any motherboard company that supports any other than windows...
                    But indeed it does take it another level that gigabyte and others wont even fix something that is out of spec.

                    I think the only way for something to happen would be to have pressure come from another large company. I think it would take Amd and Intel going through company channels to make sure things like this are fixed. Amd and Intel have more visible support for linux and one would assume they would want their products to work with it correctly.

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                    • #40
                      not a fan of Tyan aka Mitac

                      having been an buyer of Tyan (aka Mitac) motherboards when the first of the Intel San Clemente chipset came out, I would be reluctant to buy Tyan again.

                      the motherboards had various problems which were denied for quite a few months, and Tyan's technical support (a single person to cover most of Europe as far as I could tell) was hardly available to help.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Drago View Post
                        Your boss did the right thing!
                        yes he did ;'] , Tyan is very cool and efficient with bios troubles users report .
                        but Gigabyte is not that bad . both brands are not having same targets and not the same cpus or ram , most consumers are using wiwi and it is better for them when focus is on what they use , at least to get the better for the lowest price.
                        Linux os is good but sometimes its creators have too much the focus on the free software rules . so they even do not like "hardware-drivers" . i agree and prefer this kind of point of view , at least to prevent incompatibilities . but look at M$ that produces none and "signs" them ... that should not be done for free...

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                        • #42
                          The bios really won't be that different between vendors; if you ask any of them they will probably all tell you some variant of "you're on your own with Linux". The chipsets are the same and most of the bioses are just stock or slightly tweaked reference images from award or insyde, etc. The thing is, MS did not support APSM officially for a long time so most vendors never validated it since it wasn't a requirement for 90% of their markets. Various vendors implemented it directly in their drivers for specific devices and that's how we ended up where we are. It's not really realistic for vendors to go back and validate old hardware for a feature which was "unsupported" at the time. It's a waste of resources since there's no new revenue attached to it.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            Uh, forgot to add. Regarding other motherboard vendors. Unlike Gigabyte, that states their motherboards are for Windows only, other state that their motherboard may be compatible with non-windows systems, but they can not guarantee that. And if you happen to have a problem, they will listen it up and if its their fault they will correct it, regardless of OS you use. That was my experience with ASUS.
                            Gigabyte doesnt state that its Windows only, i read from my motherboard specifications:

                            Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website.
                            Most hardware/software vendors may no longer offer drivers to support Win9X/ME/2000/XP SP1/SP2. If drivers are available from the vendors, we will update them on the GIGABYTE website.

                            http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...px?pid=3908#sp

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                            • #44
                              You know... All I've got to say at this point is:

                              Thank You Michael for Trolling one of the Best MoBo manufacturers out there who also happens to be one of the Primary supporters/contributors of Coreboot.

                              Seriously.. What's with the Tech Press this past month, we had Anandtech trolling the Bulldozer launch and now Michael trolling Gigabyte...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                                So? If that is how a company wants to present itself to the world, they deserve to get a bad reputation for brushing off customer complaints instead of investigating them. They want to sell you stuff, due diligence should apply to their side, not yours.
                                Because that would be the case for all companies? Too many of you think we still live in 1970's times where you could still get a direct line to somebody that knew WTF they where talking about instead of getting someone reading from a script in in New Delhi. So basing your product choice on that opts you out of pretty much the entire electronics industry and most industry in general. So will you be joining the Amish? If so can I have your stuff? Especially since companies like Asus and Gigabyte go above and beyond what most of the other mobo companies are willing to do for their customers.

                                Nope, due diligence is on the part of the guy doing the article, because if some random overclocker forum can get engineers from these companies to check in on the forums and take feedback from them then so should we, but it seems Michael is incapable of getting a good relationship with them and it's obvious why from the condition of the site even though I'd guess that there are far more of us then there are overclockers out there and as such should have more weight then they do.

                                So what should be done? Exactly what I stated earlier, try harder till you can get a hold of someone that actually understands your question and if you can't ask for help from either some devs or with one of the other big tech sites out there that already have a good relationship with the company and ask them to forward it to their contacts for you. It's really just that simple.

                                By troll posting these companies Michael makes us all look like fuckwits.

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