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    Phoronix: AMD To Support Coreboot On All Future CPUs

    Here's one non-UDS announcement hitting the web right now that's also very significant for open-source and Linux: Advanced Micro Devices has announced today they will support Coreboot on all future processors...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTQyMQ

  • #2
    Yay! No more boring featureless BIOSes!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
      Yay! No more boring featureless BIOSes!
      yay instantboot into linux

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      • #4
        can someone outline potential benefits to this????

        i've read the wiki and the coreboot page and fail to see any benefits as a "typical" user

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        • #5
          While great in general, I still doubt there will be support for consumer boards. Would love to be wrong on this.

          @89c51

          Much faster boot, as said above

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          • #6
            Also in terms of consumers how is this better than uefi? After all is coreboot still a BIOS with all the inherent limitations like long hardware initialisation times and antiquated hardware support?

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            • #7
              So in the not-so-distant future I might have a truly open system on my computer.
              Thanks AMD, I'll be sticking with your products!

              Saying this with hopes to have this support for consumer parts as well.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
                Also in terms of consumers how is this better than uefi? After all is coreboot still a BIOS with all the inherent limitations like long hardware initialisation times and antiquated hardware support?
                EFI is in practise nothing more than a layer on top of the BIOS. Even Apple still uses a BIOS with some soft of EFI hooks. Ask MacOSx86 project if you don't believe me.

                The problem with this BIOS crap is not that it is a BIOS but that it is encrypted (DRM) and it takes hella long before a modern mainboard even reaches the post screen >.<

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
                  Also in terms of consumers how is this better than uefi? After all is coreboot still a BIOS with all the inherent limitations like long hardware initialisation times and antiquated hardware support?
                  It's not a BIOS, and it only probes the minimum necessary needed to run linux. There's an old video of a three second boot from power to X using coreboot.

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                  • #10
                    that's awesome, best news i've read so far this month.

                    i tried to get change to coreboot but a: it's tricky business and b: my board has 1 bios chip and it's non-swap-able. a couple of guys on the coreboot IRC were really helpful but now it's not the $time$ to go frying a motherboard willy-nilly.

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                    • #11
                      Coreboot is really interesting, maybe they should tell the board vendors not to solder the bios chip directly for better recovery. If somebody has a spare fusion board let me know...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by curaga View Post
                        While great in general, I still doubt there will be support for consumer boards. Would love to be wrong on this.

                        @89c51

                        Much faster boot, as said above
                        Exactly. From my understanding the issues around making Coreboot more widespread is not CPU/Chipset support but the fact that each board manufacturer writes custom bios bins for their boards (well, contracted out) and a given chipset can be implemented in different ways between manufacturers. The expanse of customization among motherboard manufacturers made it difficult to support even a fraction of the current market of boards, let alone everything made in the last 5 years. And that's before you even get into laptops.

                        Rah rah AMD, but I don't expect this will substantially change anything in the future.

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                        • #13
                          If they implement it, I will consider it instead of sandybridge xeon.
                          If they implement opensource drivers, I will consider their cards.
                          They promise - I promise.
                          No less, but no more.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by locovaca View Post
                            Exactly. From my understanding the issues around making Coreboot more widespread is not CPU/Chipset support but the fact that each board manufacturer writes custom bios bins for their boards (well, contracted out) and a given chipset can be implemented in different ways between manufacturers. The expanse of customization among motherboard manufacturers made it difficult to support even a fraction of the current market of boards, let alone everything made in the last 5 years. And that's before you even get into laptops.

                            Rah rah AMD, but I don't expect this will substantially change anything in the future.
                            Exactly the reason why I can not cold boot my current Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H v1.1 - I have to turn it off and on again. Else - segfaults and not booting CPU cores. I pinned it down to motherboard. ASUS motherboard with AM2+ but AM3 CPU on the contrary works fantastic.

                            Customisation is nice, as long as it is polished. Is better to have one GOOD tool, than a miriad of useless.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by locovaca View Post
                              Exactly. From my understanding the issues around making Coreboot more widespread is not CPU/Chipset support but the fact that each board manufacturer writes custom bios bins for their boards (well, contracted out) and a given chipset can be implemented in different ways between manufacturers. The expanse of customization among motherboard manufacturers made it difficult to support even a fraction of the current market of boards, let alone everything made in the last 5 years. And that's before you even get into laptops.

                              Rah rah AMD, but I don't expect this will substantially change anything in the future.
                              The chipset is the chipset. The difference is the extra crap that gets "bolted on" to the chipset. Having the chipset supported by the manufacturer means that the community can focus more on the rest of the crap than in reverse engineering the chipset.

                              Most of the extra crap that gets bolted on is similar/same between manufacturers. They tend to use different sized bolts, so next after the extra crap gets figured out, its a relatively simple matter of adapting to the different bolt patterns.

                              At this point though, you start to get the advantage of having all or most of the extra crap being pulled into the chipset. At this point, you can pretty much just expect it to work, except for the few components that are added outside of the chipset. The mainboard manufacturers will eventually be forced to produce superior generic boards.

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