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    Phoronix: ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB

    A week ago we looked at the brand-new ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics card under Linux. This graphics card launch was unlike any in ATI's history where with the introduction of a brand new product generation, Linux users were greeted by same-day Linux support -- both through their proprietary fglrx driver and with the open-source xf86-video-ati driver. In addition, some of the board partners are opting to put Tux on their product packaging and shipping the Linux drivers on their product CDs. As we had also exclusively shared, AMD will soon be approaching a feature parity between the Windows and Linux drivers. Today we're publishing our complete review of the new ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB as well as delivering additional benchmarks from the Radeon HD 4850 under Linux, of course.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12558

  • #2
    Damn nice card, but your Diamond 4850 looked better

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    • #3
      I so want one of those cards. Damn lack of money .

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      • #4
        Originally posted by d2kx View Post
        Damn nice card, but your Diamond 4850 looked better
        So d2kx, did you like the AA numbers (from page 7 and on?)

        Regards,

        Matthew

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        • #5
          Then the Linux support is so good with fglrx then show a wine screenshot playing Trackmania Nations Forever...

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          • #6
            Ahh, you mean the Windows support with fglrx
            Last edited by bridgman; 07-03-2008, 11:45 AM.

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            • #7
              @Matthew: of course I do I was talking about the design of the card, just in case you've misunderstood me.

              @Kano: I've played Trackmania United: Forever when the Catalyst 8.5 was released, haven't tried it with any driver newer than that one (8.6), because I prefer playing the few Windows-native games under that other OS to get the best performance possible, but I'll try that out again for you in a few days if you like.

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              • #8
                A very nice review, it was good to see the newer cards distancing themselves a bit more.

                Why were there no results for X-plane at higher resolutions and AA/AF settings? (This was what I was most interested in).

                Also there's no discussion about X-video playback - from what I hear in these forums, it's not even possible to play back X-video in a window and use compiz at the same time. And what about tearing?

                My GeForce 6800GT is hours away from death and I want to hear that as a Linux user I can finally live with an ATI card! I'm hugely encouraged (especially by some of the AMD guys on these forums) but not yet quite convinced...

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                • #9
                  I'm still waiting for this Tux on the box and Linux drivers on the CD thing. I still have yet to find any Radeon 4000 series cards which have either of these. So far there still appears to be a total lack of advertising for Linux. That's great that Linux is supported "internally" better, but without actual exposure no one else will know or care except those who are already using it. Actual advertising for Linux is far more important than a few more features added to their Linux drivers IMO, but it all still helps of course and ATI has been great with Linux support. I know it's up to these vendors to mention Linux, but you'd think they would at least say *something* about Linux now, even if they don't put a penguin on the front, at least list it in the system requirements on the side or mention it on the back or something??

                  Has anyone seen or read anything about Linux at all anywhere on any of these new graphics cards??

                  I mean, if we are told that Tux is going to be on the box and drivers on the CD, and then it doesn't happen, anywhere, then, that was a pointless falsehood, so why was it said? Their sources were obviously overzealous before they had the facts I guess? I mean, why say it otherwise?

                  It's like saying "THIS JUST IN, companies could put a huge penguin on the front of the box if they wanted to!" Well, of course they can, but the real question is will they, and who will be the first? When one of them actually does it, that will be real actual news. Here's to hoping it'll happen eventually though.
                  Last edited by Yfrwlf; 07-03-2008, 02:52 PM.

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                  • #10
                    In addition, some of the board partners are opting to put Tux on their product packaging and shipping the Linux drivers on their product CDs
                    Which "partners"? I want to buy from a Linux supported partner.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
                      Which "partners"? I want to buy from a Linux supported partner.
                      Exactly, where are they, which ones? Any Phoronix editors wish to clarify? So far, I checked out the 4850 from Diamond, and there is NO mention of anything Linux anywhere. Completely typical box, like Linux didn't exist. In the system requirements, several versions of Windows are mentioned as being required. Why would a company not want to list it being Linux compatible if it is to help sell their product? I don't know what kind of perks these companies are getting for only listing Microsoft products, but I'm going to support the ones that are honest and list the operating systems that are actually supported by AMD not to mention open source developers. If there are any that do, that is.

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                      • #12
                        A guy from another forum got a HD4870 and he said the disk came with both Windows and Linux drivers, but the box itself said nothing about Linux. I think it was a Visiontek.

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                        • #13
                          To clarify slightly, there are always a number of sub-SKUs within a product family. The second and third sub-SKUs will have definately have the driver (at least the CD image that AMD releases), the AIB may do something different.

                          The driver on the CD is the same as the 8.501 release included in CATALYST 8.6.

                          Regards,

                          Matthew

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                          • #14
                            When delivering our Radeon HD 4850 results, we had found the NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX to outperform the Radeon HD 4850 in a majority of the tests and there wasn't much of a difference between the Radeon HD 3870 and HD 4850. We were not hitting a CPU bottleneck either, as the Core 2 Duo "Wolfdale" was running at 4GHz, but instead we were hitting a bottleneck within the fglrx driver.
                            http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...nhd_4870&num=3

                            I would love to see the benchmarks when that bottleneck is fixed in fglrx...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Laughing1 View Post
                              http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...nhd_4870&num=3

                              I would love to see the benchmarks when that bottleneck is fixed in fglrx...
                              If the HW is made the limiting factor ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...nhd_4870&num=7 ) by ramping up image quality (AA, AF) , there is a vast improvement in the relative performance of ATI Radeon products against the competitive (?) NV product.

                              Even with the high image quality settings, the rates are all very playable 80-120 FPS at 1920x1200.

                              Regards,

                              Matthew

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