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  • NVIDIA GeForce 8200 IGP

    Phoronix: NVIDIA GeForce 8200 IGP

    Back in March we had looked at the Radeon HD 3200 graphics found on AMD 780G motherboards. With the Catalyst Linux driver the Radeon HD 3200 had performed about the same speed as the discrete Radeon HD 2400PRO graphics card, which we were quite pleased with considering its integrated and low-power design. The Radeon HD 3200 also offers support for DisplayPort and HDMI, but it's up to the motherboard vendor which output connections they wish to utilize. The Radeon HD 3200 / 780G certainly impressed us, but today we are looking at NVIDIA's latest IGP offering for AMD's Phenom platform. While not all of these features are available to Linux customers, the GeForce 8200 supports DirectX 10, PureVideo HD, GeForce Boost, Hybrid SLI, and other leading edge features. Though between the Radeon HD 3200 and GeForce 8200, which IGP offering reigns supreme under Linux? In this article we'll tell you our thoughts.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12509

  • #2
    Finally some useful information on actually trying these IGP's in Linux.

    I want so bad to buy a mobo with one of these chipsets for my computers.

    It's a huge dilemma though, which do you choose the 3200 or the 8200.

    I am currently using the 690g Gigabyte Mobo and BE-2350 for my HTPC, and I haven't even screwed around with it in Linux yet. I think the 8200 is the choice for me on the Windows side just for the 8 channel LPCM capabilities (although it isn't actually supported yet). I really jumped the gun with buying the 690g not realizing that I would need a beefy CPU for hi-def content.

    I want so bad to be able to make my HTPC a Mythbuntu box and be able to at least play 1080p .mkv and .mov files smoothly, but it looks like neither of these Chipsets are ready for this yet.

    I also really like the 6 SATA ports on both of these mobo's for me to replace my main file server. I want to start with a 3x1TB Software Raid5 with Ubuntu 8.04 and then go up from there, maybe I will have to wait till October for 8.10

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    • #3
      My main concern is with video playback. I run Mythtv on my system now and I need to replace a bad motherboard. The question is 8200 or 780G. Did you do any video playback when comparing the two boards? I'm sure that with the beefy phenom processor that you tested with, either will be more than capable, but how about with something more around the style of a Athlon X2 4850e? Since XvMC isn't supported (or any of the nice hardware acceleration) on the 8200, can I smoothly playback a 1080p clip with X Video (on either board)?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lothar View Post
        My main concern is with video playback. I run Mythtv on my system now and I need to replace a bad motherboard. The question is 8200 or 780G. Did you do any video playback when comparing the two boards? I'm sure that with the beefy phenom processor that you tested with, either will be more than capable, but how about with something more around the style of a Athlon X2 4850e? Since XvMC isn't supported (or any of the nice hardware acceleration) on the 8200, can I smoothly playback a 1080p clip with X Video (on either board)?
        That would be very dependent on a few things such as bitrate on the 1080p clip. I can play 1080p clips that do not have high bitrates fine on a system with a 4200+ and 7200GS card. Higher bitrate clips as well if mplayer with the CoreAVC patch used.

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        • #5
          Ok, so here's the deal breaker.

          I want to run Ubuntu 8.04 (Or Possibly Mythbuntu, I haven't tried it yet, I probably will quick to see what I think) in my server. And the main thing I want from either of these chipsets is easy plug and play dual monitor support. I did see in the article that Fedora worked well with the 8200, how about dual monitor?

          In which configuration (OS and Hardware) was plug and play dual monitor successful with these IGP's?

          Thanks.

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          • #6
            Probably

            Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
            Ok, so here's the deal breaker.

            I want to run Ubuntu 8.04 (Or Possibly Mythbuntu, I haven't tried it yet, I probably will quick to see what I think) in my server. And the main thing I want from either of these chipsets is easy plug and play dual monitor support. I did see in the article that Fedora worked well with the 8200, how about dual monitor?

            In which configuration (OS and Hardware) was plug and play dual monitor successful with these IGP's?

            Thanks.
            I would think that setting up dual monitors would be dependent on the drivers available fron Nvidia and ATI. I had no trouble setting up dual 19" 1280x1024s with Nvidia binaries on SUSE 9 and 10, as well as PCLOS and Linux Mint. They are closed source though and I never got them ot install right with Ubuntu. That may be easier now though.

            This was/is on a system with an AMD 3200 64 (754 socket) and Nvidia 5200, 6200, 6800XT cards.

            I don't have any ATI cards presently so I can't say about them, but from what I'm reading their open source drivers would now do the job, if you're intent on Ubuntu.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LenS View Post
              This was/is on a system with an AMD 3200 64 (754 socket) and Nvidia 5200, 6200, 6800XT cards.
              But none of this was using dual monitors on the AMD 780g or Geforce 8200 integrated chipsets, correct?

              I understand completely in depends on the drivers installed, I am curious about success stories involving these specific (780g or 8200) integrated chipsets though.

              The AMD 780g and Geforce 8200 are the gist of this thread, aren't they. I have absolutely no interest PCI-Express or AGP video cards. All the systems I am building are with Dual Monitor or Hi-Definition HTPC using only the integrated chipset (IGP)

              For example, here are two motherboards that I am possibly choosing between:

              AMD/ATI 780g
              http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...ProductID=2814

              NVidia Geforce 8200
              http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...ProductID=2817

              Both are HDMI/DVI/VGA, and are supposed to support Hi-Def Hardware Decoding (In Windows). One major thing I am also curious about is the capability of being able to play a Blu-Ray Movie straight from disc on either of these chipsets.

              I am really waiting for some results someone has for these tests in linux:
              1) Dual monitor with 780g or GF8200
              2) Blu-Ray playback with 780g or GF8200

              Thanks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post

                Both are HDMI/DVI/VGA, and are supposed to support Hi-Def Hardware Decoding (In Windows). One major thing I am also curious about is the capability of being able to play a Blu-Ray Movie straight from disc on either of these chipsets.

                I am really waiting for some results someone has for these tests in linux:
                1) Dual monitor with 780g or GF8200
                2) Blu-Ray playback with 780g or GF8200

                Thanks.
                You won't see Blu-Ray tests in linux. It's simply not possible without stripping the copyprotection first.
                r

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HwyXingFrog View Post
                  But none of this was using dual monitors on the AMD 780g or Geforce 8200 integrated chipsets, correct?

                  I understand completely in depends on the drivers installed, I am curious about success stories involving these specific (780g or 8200) integrated chipsets though.

                  The AMD 780g and Geforce 8200 are the gist of this thread, aren't they. I have absolutely no interest PCI-Express or AGP video cards. All the systems I am building are with Dual Monitor or Hi-Definition HTPC using only the integrated chipset (IGP)


                  Thanks.
                  You don't seem to realize that GPUs are GPUs. It doesn't matter if they're on the mobo, PCIex, or AGP. If my old GeForce 5200 will run 2 monitors the MUCH NEWER 8200 Nvidia will too, on the mobo or in a PCIe slot. Whether you can install the Nvidia binaries in Ubuntu is another question.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    You won't see Blu-Ray tests in linux. It's simply not possible without stripping the copyprotection first.
                    r
                    What about libdvdcss? or doesn't that work with blu-ray?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LenS View Post
                      What about libdvdcss? or doesn't that work with blu-ray?
                      Libdvdcss does not work against Blu-ray's much stronger encryption. Like DVDs, all commercial Blu-Ray discs have encryption but homemade ones do not. Blu-ray playback support is supposedly present in Linux as long as you can handle the codecs used on the disc, so you could do a playback of a homemade 1080p Ogg Theora, H.264, MPEG-2, or other codec video on a Blu-ray disk on Linux.

                      There are ways to get around Blu-ray DRM but it's illegal in countries that have banned circumventing digital restrictions management even for legal end-user purposes. The DMCA in the U.S. prevents that. You can see 17 USC sections 101, 104, 104A, 108, 112, 114, 117, 512, 701, 1201-1205, 1301-1332, and 28 USC 4001 for details if you are a legally inclined person.

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                      • #12
                        I am really sorry I am sending this thread off on some a few tangents.

                        Here are the questions again:

                        1) Dual monitor with 780g or GF8200

                        It has been made apparent that dual monitors will work in an old GeForce 5200 card, and obviously on my extremely loud and inefficient dual 6600GT's, that is not the question. In the article they mentioned this:
                        The driver being used for testing and the latest at the time of publishing is the 173.14.05 release.
                        So is it just a matter of getting past the mentioned disk controller problem and installing the 173.14.05 driver? And then everything just works? DVI/VGA dual monitors? I understand that it is a driver constraint, and all you have to do is install it, but I am mostly comfortable with Ubuntu, and the newest one is 8.04. How much of a pain in the @$$ is the GF8200 going to be for Ubuntu 8.04? Well, as I just asked that question I thought I would check out ubuntuforums, here's a thread there that seems to explain what to do: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=822315
                        But after reading this article as well:http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...0g_linux&num=1
                        I can see that at this moment it is probably easier to set up dual monitors on the 780g. But that will probably change by the time Ubuntu 8.10 comes out in October. So I may have answered my own question, any comments?

                        2) Blu-Ray playback with 780g or GF8200

                        Yeah, this one was a bad idea off the top, Blu-Ray playback is obviously going to cause some DRM issues. So theoretically, if there were some uncompressed 1080p H.264 content on the PC running linux, would it be be able to playback uninterrupted on the 780g or the GF8200? It sounds like a 4200+ and a 7200GS "may" be able to:
                        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                        That would be very dependent on a few things such as bitrate on the 1080p clip. I can play 1080p clips that do not have high bitrates fine on a system with a 4200+ and 7200GS card. Higher bitrate clips as well if mplayer with the CoreAVC patch used.
                        Now, how about a 4850e paired with a GF8200 (or 780g)? It seems like it may just be a matter of getting the software and codecs configured properly.

                        I ask these questions because I know I am not the only one wanting to know the answers, and I guess if it gets to that point that I have the cash and I just can't wait anymore I will just have to get the one that seems to work the best from my research and make the best decision I can.

                        I jumped the gun way too early when I bought a BE-2350 and the Gigabyte 690g, it just doesn't quite cut it, so this time I am going to ask as many questions as I can before making the purchase.

                        Thanks.

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                        • #13
                          I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 (installed on top of Mythbuntu) on a 4850e and a GF8300 IGP using restricted drivers from Nvidia on a 42" LCD-TV (1920x1080). Hardware HD-decoding is done on GPU with almost no load on CPU, meaning I can watch 1080p media without worry. Perfect for a HTPC setup in the living room (no 3D gaming, HD-media, pictures and HD-video). 2GB of DDR2-800 gives the box plenty of headroom.

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