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  • #16
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    What games with benchmarking capabilities would you suggest?
    Tesseract! It was worked on for PTS integration recently.

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    • #17
      ATI for Linux is for Masochistic

      I use Linux on all my PC's 100% of the time, and have done so since 1998. I build or purchase all my PC's and have spec'd linux PCs for a few dozen others. Since around 2006, it became clear that NV was serious about providing the most stable and best performing drivers and cards for Linux. My brother, who dual boots Linux as a hobby, always gets ATI boards. And then he wonders why he keeps getting surprising regressions or lousy 2D performance. I've given up trying to help outside of suggesting he stop buying ATI until they fix their drivers. Even Intel has better Linux support overall.

      I wish it weren't so - ironically AMD processors have always had good to great Linux support, and my home workstation runs a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition over clocked at 4GHz. But the graphics board is a NVidia GTX 660, and my workstation at the office has a GTX 650ti boost, and they provide great reliability and performance at 2560x1440 and 3840x1200 respectively. Ubuntu support for these cards has been very good. Steam games like Portal 2 or Dota 2 run great at 2560x1440. From what I've seen performance is comparable or better than on Windows.

      If someone gave me a PC with an ATI card, the first thing I'd do is replace it with a $150 GTX 750ti or better. Its just not worth the hassle. Now I have to email a link to this article to my brother...
      Last edited by deppman; 05-26-2014, 12:41 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Calinou View Post
        Tesseract! It was worked on for PTS integration recently.
        It was tested, and can be found via the OpenBenchmarking.org result file, but ended up being CPU bottlenecked on all of the graphics cards.
        Michael Larabel
        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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        • #19
          Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
          While I appreciate and understand what you're saying with regards to performance, VRAM is now a factor in high end gaming. A few of the modern games recommend 3gb to have high res textures on Windows. I just purchased a 770, and went for the 4gb version exactly for this reason.

          While 2gb may be enough for Linux today, if you're forward thinking then 4gb is going to last you longer than 2gb (at whatever performance level you're going for as long as it's fairly high end). 2gb would already limit you if you want high-res textures on some recent games on Windows. That is if what the devs say is true, I haven't ruled out the possibility that they said that to shift AMD cards, many of which have 3gb, whereas most Nvidia other than the 780 go for 2gb, with a 4gb option.
          Yeah, most likely that 4gb card will play nicely with 4k.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Calinou View Post
            Tesseract! It was worked on for PTS integration recently.
            As Michael pointed out, that is CPU limited. However I believe the OP was more whining that there wasn't any modern AAA games that were tested and as usual the reason for that is that most do not provide benchmarking capability.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Calinou View Post
              What matters is performance, not VRAM size.

              290 is literally a power hog compared to the 770, not to mention the noise and temperature issues.
              That depends on the resolution and game you are running, stuff like 3-5x monitor setups and 4K screens need the increased vram, Also games like Metro: Last Light and new AAA class games coming to Linux will easily devour more then 4Gb of Vram with all the settings turned up at resolutions higher then 1920x1080. Just imagine what Star Citizen is going to require to run well.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by drSeehas View Post
                "... AMD's unwillingness to supply Phoronix with higher-end GPU review samples ..."
                So why don't you ask AMD for a R7 240 and R7 250?
                AMD's high end cards where printing them money for all of the bitcoin miners as they excelled at the task, now that this has fallen off the prices are coming back in line with where they should be.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                  AMD's high end cards where printing them money for all of the bitcoin miners as they excelled at the task, now that this has fallen off the prices are coming back in line with where they should be.
                  I don't think we benefited from the price inflation, ie we were not raising *our* prices.

                  AFAIK we were not running bitcoin farms in the back of the warehouse either

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                    I don't think we benefited from the price inflation, ie we were not raising *our* prices.

                    AFAIK we were not running bitcoin farms in the back of the warehouse either
                    Perhaps you should have? Then you'd be able to hire more Linux devs!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Azpegath View Post
                      Perhaps you should have? Then you'd be able to hire more Linux devs!
                      Sure, but we could have also lost a lot of money on the downside (remember things like price protection) and had the opposite effect on staffing. Buying lottery tickets would have been more conservative.

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                      • #26
                        We know for certain that AMD mined Lottocoins

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by deppman View Post
                          Even Intel has better Linux support overall.
                          even? that word makes no sense in that matter, Intel has clearly the best drivers for linux. 1000x better than this nvidia garbage.

                          100% stable, support as first all the new X11-magic or wayland shit, integrated etc. if you wanna critisise Intel you can critisie em for building not good (fast) hardware. But the drivers under linux are the best.

                          That said on the igp sector or fussion sector where intel only delivers stuff, amd is also better than nvidia, because Nvidia just dont offer that at least not for x86.

                          The free drivers work great with kabini as example. Out of the box without frickling around or use a freedom hater distro like ubuntu, and even with ubuntu you get problems if you want to update some stuff or distro not coming into X before u fix stuff on the console is a blob(nvidia) only problem.

                          So bring here Intel as comparsion just is a bad comparsion.

                          I can follow you so far, that if you want to use a driver blob and a fast grafics card under linux at the moment nvidia is most likely the way to go.

                          Thats maybe sad, but at the moment for hardcore-gamers linux is not a good option anyway.

                          I have a kabini system for linux works great, before I had a zacate board in it, itx form factor with ssd, works really well.
                          on it I have synergy for mouse and keyboard sharing installed, then I have windows pc with a old hd5850 in it. and play there, another solution would be to have a ps3 or something.

                          But I would hate my life if I would have to fuck around with wine-garbage or have only 1/4 of the games in steam and 0% outside steam availible.

                          Of course that could change in 1-2 years with steamos, but so far linux is no full gaming plattform. And even then I will have a seperate gaming rick that I send to sleep when I dont game because I want a nsa-spyware free pc for work, and want not to have a frickl-linux because nvidias lisense is incompatible with linuxkernel.

                          For me nvidia are amateurs, they dont get that they cant keep up with the big changes in the kernel. so you have to wait for them slow idiots till they port new stuff, how long did they need to get the current version of xrandr implemented?

                          All stuff a kernel dev does for all drivers in a eyeblink after he changed the api.

                          And they cant support 100 different distros with all their verisons... so you have to use garbage slow moving distros like garbage ubuntu. to not every second day have not working xserver.

                          In Fedora 20 I had 3-4 new kernel versions 3.11 or so till 3.14 I belive, even canonical delivers on their fix kernels here and there no working nvidia driver. and stuff.

                          Or you have to use a old one...

                          Problems over problems vs 0 problems except not enough fps for wine-AAA-Gaming.

                          I keep them seperated one evil box with windows, nsa-spyware aka driver blobs and proprietary games and a clean one. with 0% (except bios) proprietary software, no flash no shit...

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