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  • NVIDIA Is Still Killing AMD Over Linux OpenGL Performance

    Phoronix: NVIDIA Is Still Killing AMD Over Linux OpenGL Performance

    Back in November I published my review of the AMD Radeon R9 290 on Linux. This high-end AMD Radeon "Hawaii" graphics card ended up being a wreck on Linux: its performance was devastating. Radeon R9 290X owners have also reported their Linux performance with the Catalyst driver has been less than stellar. In new tests conducted last week with the latest AMD and NVIDIA binary graphics drivers, the high-end AMD GPUs still really aren't proving much competition to NVIDIA's Kepler graphics cards. Here's a new 12 graphics card comparison on Ubuntu.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=19701

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    I'll continue buying NVIDIA then.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Filiprino View Post
      I'll continue buying NVIDIA then.
      This is still supporting the only company that puts almost 0 effort into any foss projects. And releasing 2d documentation on Kepler does not compare to 6 full time Mesa devs, completely open design documents on all their chipsets, programming manuals, and all their other kernel / coreboot contributions from AMD. I'm almost happy Catalyst sucks so much (albeit those recent showings of how awful glamor is doesn't renew my faith), more incentive to just depreciate the POS and focus on Gallium. It is a much better idea to implement drivers for DRI / KMS than to try to port a massive Windows blob. Especially if you want to see AMD parts in Tablets or low end embedded systems like tvs running Linux, not having to bundle 30 - 50MB of binary blob would be great (for both disk space and memory concerns).

      Does the 290 run on Mesa yet? It looks like none of the SI cards get any performance gain beyond some baseline, so I guess if you wanted a gpu something like a 260x or 7770 is your best bet since spending more money won't get you more frames. I saw some 7870s / 270x's hitting $150 around Black Friday last year, if I see them get that low again I might get one.
      Last edited by zanny; 01-20-2014, 11:27 AM.

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      • #4
        But rXXX / RadeonSI kills Nouveau, so everything balances out in a way.

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        • #5
          And I'll buy AMD. (because I use the open drivers)

          Now there is balance in the force.

          Ok. More on topic. I wonder if AMD will be fixing those performance issues in their binary driver soon because of the steambox?

          Also I just looked at the http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...radeonsi&num=1 benchmark results and compared them. (the benchmarks used different cards but)...
          We definitely need a catalyst to open driver comparison. Some of the results make me wonder if the open driver has reached performance parity with catalyst.

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          • #6
            We're customers, not investors. I'll be willing to give AMD some credit only if they officially move majority of resources from Catalyst for Linux to the os driver. It's not like Linux popped up a year ago, you know.
            Last edited by Bucic; 01-20-2014, 11:31 AM.

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            • #7
              Amd sucks on linux desktop but is great on android(adreno). Maybe we should buy tablets and evol, also the radeon cards tested are inferior to the nvidia cards
              Last edited by felipe; 01-20-2014, 11:32 AM.

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              • #8
                I continue to buy nvidia, for me the most important thing, is the game performance and smooth video playback, foss drivers aren't interestings for me.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
                  I continue to buy nvidia, for me the most important thing, is the game performance and smooth video playback, foss drivers aren't interestings for me.
                  linux gamming? Where? The onboard video of I3/I5/i7 should do the job fine of the video playback, but the nvidia is a waste of money for linux gamming, maybe if you use dual bot Win+Linux worth it

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
                    I continue to buy nvidia, for me the most important thing, is the game performance and smooth video playback, foss drivers aren't interestings for me.
                    You are doing it wrong. If game performance and video playback are the most important things for you, then you need Windows or a console...

                    Nice trolling attempt though...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by felipe View Post
                      Amd sucks on linux desktop but is great on android(adreno). Maybe we should buy tablets and evol, also the radeon cards tested are inferior to the nvidia cards
                      Adreno is from Qualcomm. It was owned by ATI/AMD until 2008, but the brand name over there was not adreno, but Imageon.

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                      • #12
                        As much as I love to throw sunshine and lollipops NVIDIA's way... I have to admit that I feel that the driver quality has been regressing a lot in recent years. It seems like every driver version introduces some new esoteric bug and they don't really give the impression that they care much to fix it.

                        The codebase must be a complete trainwreck if simply touching one area makes the whole thing fall apart.

                        Performance is kinda good... but only when the driver kinda works. So I can get 1,000 fps in L4D2 until the game hangs in the safe room. That's the sort of thing that doesn't show up in the benchmarks.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                          You are doing it wrong. If game performance and video playback are the most important things for you, then you need Windows or a console...

                          Nice trolling attempt though...
                          Nice trolling.

                          Intel drivers suffer random tearing for me, with nvidia I can play metro , serious sam bfe 3, dota 2, half life, counter strike, left 4 dead 2 etc, very smooth, and I have Windows 8.1 too for playing battlefield 4.
                          Last edited by pandev92; 01-20-2014, 11:45 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bucic View Post
                            We're customers, not investors. I'll be willing to give AMD some credit only if they officially move majority of resources from Catalyst for Linux to the os driver. It's not like Linux popped up a year ago, you know.
                            Exactly - excellent point. While I myself own AMD cards and haven't bought an nvidia product in over 10 years (I don't buy new hardware often), I would still recommend nvidia to linux gamers or anyone who really cares about overall GPU performance. Intel is fine for laptops or low-end desktops.

                            I appreciate AMD's open source efforts and they're really making good steady progress, but they decided to put this effort in a little too late. I'm sure they're not keeping up with catalyst because it WILL be obsoleted, it's just a matter of when. So, they're basically putting enough attention into it to make sure it "works" but otherwise they'd probably get rid of catalyst if they could.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zanny View Post
                              This is still supporting the only company that puts almost 0 effort into any foss projects.
                              Who cares? I want results! I didn't bought my hardware to support politics. I bought it to play games...

                              Happy Nvidia owner who have purchased Wargame European Escalation, Left 4 Dead 2 and Half Life 2 just to play them on Linux. Performance is on par with Windows and thats FANTASTIC!

                              Never installed them on Windows.
                              Last edited by verde; 01-20-2014, 11:52 AM.

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