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    Phoronix: Kickstarter-Based Open-Source GPU Launches

    As first reported yesterday on Phoronix, there's a new effort to raise one million dollars for a LGPLv3-licensed FPGA-based shader-supported graphics processor. Today the Kickstarter campaign kicked off with details in full on this new project...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ4MTY

  • #2
    It's lacking a fancy and catchy name?

    This is not how you should do a kickstarter campaign.

    I hope this will be successfully funded.
    Thinking about to support it.

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    • #3
      LOL, this will never have the performance of an el cheapo gfx card from either Nvidia or AMD. What we really need is to support AMD drivers.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wargames View Post
        LOL, this will never have the performance of an el cheapo gfx card from either Nvidia or AMD. What we really need is to support AMD drivers.
        And the libertarians will never control the house and senate... so I should vote for a Republican or a Democrat? I personally wish there were like/disklike votes currently its like facebook only haveing only a like button. But come on... do you trust Nvidia and AMD to continue making 3D hardware for all the devices you want 3D acceleration in indefinitly? As far as that goes they don't even do that now!


        I want to be able to hook up my own 3D accelerator to ANYTHING I make or own... without the requirement that it have a PCI-e bus or whatever the powers that be whim I hook it up to.

        Performance is not the point... choice is. You don't like what the world is changing into... well do something about it and change this particular aspect for the better. Also if they designed a unified shader... I don't see any reason it couldn't approach the speed of any of the mobile GPUs some of which are in fact quite fast.
        Last edited by cb88; 10-09-2013, 01:38 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cb88 View Post
          And the libertarians will never control the house and senate... so I should vote for a Republican or a Democrat? I personally wish there were like/disklike votes currently its like facebook only haveing only a like button. But come on... do you trust Nvidia and AMD to continue making 3D hardware for all the devices you want 3D acceleration in indefinitly? As far as that goes they don't even do that now!


          I want to be able to hook up my own 3D accelerator to ANYTHING I make or own... without the requirement that it have a PCI-e bus or whatever the powers that be whim I hook it up to.

          Performance is not the point... choice is. You don't like what the world is changing into... well do something about it and change this particular aspect for the better. Also if they designed a unified shader... I don't see any reason it couldn't approach the speed of any of the mobile GPUs some of which are in fact quite fast.
          Would be nice words if all this did not depend on capitalist enterprises.
          why would not you want an PCI-e?
          All this is commerce, even to use the computer is for a capitalist purpose.
          there is no fun in this world. maybe illusion with games to get away from reality.
          if you do not want to participate in this world, you just go for what's left of the forests and perhaps practice magic or something more in touch with nature.
          everything else is illusory and fascist utopia.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by amagnoni View Post
            Would be nice words if all this did not depend on capitalist enterprises.
            why would not you want an PCI-e?
            All this is commerce, even to use the computer is for a capitalist purpose.
            there is no fun in this world. maybe illusion with games to get away from reality.
            if you do not want to participate in this world, you just go for what's left of the forests and perhaps practice magic or something more in touch with nature.
            everything else is illusory and fascist utopia.
            PCI etc.. is complex. maybe I'd want to implement my own simple bus like wishbone.

            Dunno about you but I have quite a bit of fun and rather often. Sure some aspects of life suck but we can't focus on those and become depressed.

            I like nature myself... perhaps I can use this GPU to render some nice nature scenes to distract me from the facist utopia that surrounds us ;-)

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            • #7
              Looks like they could fit thier 3D design in an Artix-7 100T which is $115 for the chip. so it should be possible to make a board for around $175-250 just guesstimating it. Using the Artix-7 200T part would drive up cost about another $70 but might allow prototyping the unified shaders. Or alternatively $90 on top of the Artix-7 100T would get you a kintex-7 160T which might also fit a unified shader and is a faster part (8x PCIe , more on chip ram, ideally double to triple the performance)

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              • #8
                Nice

                GPU shaders are programmable in GLSL?
                OpenCL is supported ?

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                • #9
                  I'm not sure this is needed really as intel's drivers are open sourced and have far more functionality. They are improving the performance nicely with each version of mesa, by the time this $1m goal is met in q1 2015 intel's drivers will probably be pretty stable and quite fast especially considering the speed of the on-chip gpu's that will be coming out by then.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by entropy View Post
                    It's lacking a fancy and catchy name?

                    Thinking about to support it.
                    I did - the main reason is that if successful - there will be a lot more people hacking on graphics. How can this be a bad thing for the open source drivers if there are more people around working on them.

                    I can think of many little projects that could benefit from a small open source GPU in the DIY community.

                    There is also a small chance that this sort of project might show the way (at least in some part) for other hardware companies wanting a better driver stack.

                    *always the optimist*

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                    • #11
                      So they need a million dollars before we can even get to something comparable in performance and features to an integrated GPU, let alone a discrete card? Oy vey.

                      I mean, what's better- an open GPU, or an open GPU people want to use in daily life? Not to harsh on them- I'm sure it's absurdly difficult to come up with even a simple GPU- but this seems a little pointless for anything aside from research. It could lead to a better open design from someone else building on it, I suppose. Am I missing something obvious?

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                      • #12
                        I think what some people fail to realize is that this is an open *hardware* solution. Intel's FOSS drivers are very nice (I use them myself), but that is distinct from the hardware itself being open. Things like this are actually extremely useful for security purposes, as it allows hardware-level DDC (Diverse Double Compiling, used to counter the Trusting Trust attack most famously explained by Ken Tompson), and in general allows for much more thorough security auditing at a hardware level. The other useful aspect is that it would be fully free and therefore could be customized for different purposes. It's not going to be replacing gaming hardware, but it's at least a baseline for security and research purposes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by scionicspectre View Post
                          So they need a million dollars before we can even get to something comparable in performance and features to an integrated GPU, let alone a discrete card? Oy vey.

                          I mean, what's better- an open GPU, or an open GPU people want to use in daily life? Not to harsh on them- I'm sure it's absurdly difficult to come up with even a simple GPU- but this seems a little pointless for anything aside from research. It could lead to a better open design from someone else building on it, I suppose. Am I missing something obvious?
                          Well the obvious point that most people seem to overlook is that you need to start somewhere. This was never going to compete with a modern GPU from the begin, but it could be a start towards a future with open hardware, no longer the need to wait for companies to release technical documents in order to write drivers, and worldwide collaboration to create a superior product. Linux itself started off as a small project well behind the Unix's of the day, now its taking their market share a a phenomenal rate.

                          The funny thing is most people will spend more money on a coffee than they would put towards a project like this even thought they find it interesting (not that I'm saying people don't have a right to decide what they do with their money but I find it interesting). In my opinion its a real shame, projects like this have a chance to really stir things up but its projects like Ouya the worst games console ever that seem to get the big $. I guess I'm just a dreamer.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cb88 View Post
                            PCI etc.. is complex. maybe I'd want to implement my own simple bus like wishbone.

                            Dunno about you but I have quite a bit of fun and rather often. Sure some aspects of life suck but we can't focus on those and become depressed.

                            I like nature myself... perhaps I can use this GPU to render some nice nature scenes to distract me from the facist utopia that surrounds us ;-)
                            You mean like we did? orgfx is based on the wishbone bus.
                            http://opencores.org/project,orsoc_graphics_accelerator
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiielWxDH24

                            it got vector, 2d and 3d graphics and is available for free now. I might need some more work

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tarceri View Post
                              Well the obvious point that most people seem to overlook is that you need to start somewhere. This was never going to compete with a modern GPU from the begin, but it could be a start towards a future with open hardware, no longer the need to wait for companies to release technical documents in order to write drivers, and worldwide collaboration to create a superior product.
                              True enough. Of course, by today I would think building a bulky, less elegant GPU with similar capabilities of the tiny chip in a four year old phone wouldn't be absurdly laborious, unless the core concepts of building a 3d shader model GPU are downright fringe science, regardless of the size.

                              Of course, not everyone has the combined talent of a chip manufacturer and 3d software engineer, so I definitely see how that's not a good match for volunteer work. I'd say I agree with you that having a crappy 2D GPU is better than nothing, and gives at least hobbyists an alternative option in creating devices.

                              Not to mention, with a sufficient CPU, software-rendered GL could still run on a 2D chipset, I take it. Heck, maybe I should contribute a little.

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