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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    Both of you are wrong.

    What you should be asking is why Larabel doesn't get the same treatment that the hundreds of Windows review sites do. They sen to have absolutely no trouble at all getting pre-launch date top end hardware, even limited production custom designed parts are given to them free of charge, while Larabel doesn't even seem to be able to get bargain basement parts sent to him.

    Let me know when you've figured out why, you should already know my position on this.
    Hardware manufacturers are known to avoid Linux for various reasons.

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    • #32
      How in the world did you get so much framerates in TF2 with that 7950. I've used kernel 3.10 + Catalyst 13.6 + Ubuntu 13.04 and Ubuntu 13.10 and I've never been able to get more than a few FPS with insane lag.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
        Both of you are wrong.

        What you should be asking is why Larabel doesn't get the same treatment that the hundreds of Windows review sites do. They sen to have absolutely no trouble at all getting pre-launch date top end hardware, even limited production custom designed parts are given to them free of charge, while Larabel doesn't even seem to be able to get bargain basement parts sent to him.

        Let me know when you've figured out why, you should already know my position on this.
        He's not worth it?

        at least that would explain why he has to prostitute his articles with anger about XMir

        "At least XMir hasn't yet been integrated into mainline Ubuntu 13.10 otherwise these OpenGL performance results would be lower."

        Please have some self-respect Michael! XD

        Next time you could say that unfortunately the games haven't yet been ported to Mir natively, wich might have brought a performance win.

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        • #34
          Thank you Micheal, this shows I need to be careful, if I want to upgrade my hd5750 with 1 gig of ram.

          And it also proofs that for Teamfortress 2, I do not need a faster card.

          My desktop resolution is 1680 x 1050 btw.
          I run my games in this resolution too, the only game were this failed on Linux ( not on directx, but on openGL ( window or Linux does not matter for this game )
          Was with Serious Sam 3.

          With allot of enemies on the screen, I had to lower the resolution to 1280 x 720, for this game to run smooth. (openSUSE 12.3 )

          cpu AMD 5750 phenom II X4 at stock 3.2 ghz. 4 gig ram.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
            Radeon 4000 is supported by the R600 driver if I'm not mistaken. You should be able to get good performance with DPM + R600sb backend.
            I said Radeon series and below. They are in good state but the GPUs potential in most cases is not reached yet. And that potential is critical now with Steam and heavy games.
            Last edited by verde; 07-24-2013, 10:48 AM.

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            • #36
              Overall, the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 was the clear winner on Linux against the Radeon HD 7950 when using the proprietary drivers.
              O really ? .... that the same on Windows.

              We need 7970Ghz Edition againt GTX680.

              And next time it was good if you test GTX780 or NVIDIA Titan on Linux, theese card used GK110.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                Hardware manufacturers are known to avoid Linux for various reasons.
                Actually there are those that make hardware with Tux right there on the box. How about a nice piece of kit like the Intensity Pro HDMI capture card? http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensity/ Theres no reason he can't beg for one, do a review on it and build a review setup for real frametime latency like PCPer has done and start testing for real.

                But that would take actual effort and work, both things he seems adverse to given that he only reviews with what can be completely automated. With the way he writes his articles it seems like everything is just copied and pasted from previous articles.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                  Actually there are those that make hardware with Tux right there on the box. How about a nice piece of kit like the Intensity Pro HDMI capture card? http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensity/ Theres no reason he can't beg for one, do a review on it and build a review setup for real frametime latency like PCPer has done and start testing for real.

                  But that would take actual effort and work, both things he seems adverse to given that he only reviews with what can be completely automated. With the way he writes his articles it seems like everything is just copied and pasted from previous articles.
                  Why don't you do all these yourself and show Michael and us how it should be done at a site run by you with benchmarks as you would prefer instead of always accusing others??

                  I am tired of all those I know everything guys and doing nothing...
                  I also hate Window$, their benchmark payed sites, and the guys that show them as something to follow!

                  Rot Microsoft in your awful Windows within your followers' empty brains!!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                    ...
                    I've said it once and I'll say it again...It's HIS site and HE can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

                    If you don't like it, the exit is at the top right or top left depending.

                    Originally posted by djdoo View Post
                    empty brains!!
                    I use Windows and my brain certainly isn't empty.

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                    • #40
                      I said microsoft followers not users! I also use windows Can't do without them for now...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by djdoo View Post
                        I said microsoft followers not users! I also use windows Can't do without them for now...
                        Oh. Sorry. Not a good day for me today. :/

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                          Both of you are wrong.

                          What you should be asking is why Larabel doesn't get the same treatment that the hundreds of Windows review sites do. They sen to have absolutely no trouble at all getting pre-launch date top end hardware, even limited production custom designed parts are given to them free of charge, while Larabel doesn't even seem to be able to get bargain basement parts sent to him.

                          Let me know when you've figured out why, you should already know my position on this.
                          I imagine it's a combination of Phoronix not having the readership of the large Windows sites, and you overestimating the ease of smaller sites getting hardware. A quick search reveals Windows sites complaining about the same issue. http://www.wsgf.org/node/20729 "NVIDIA has not yet decided to support the WSGF with hardware for review and benchmarking. Considering that the WSGF is a hobby that just supports itself, I cannot justify spending the money needed to test NVIDIA cards"

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                            Actually there are those that make hardware with Tux right there on the box. How about a nice piece of kit like the Intensity Pro HDMI capture card? http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensity/ Theres no reason he can't beg for one, do a review on it and build a review setup for real frametime latency like PCPer has done and start testing for real.

                            But that would take actual effort and work, both things he seems adverse to given that he only reviews with what can be completely automated. With the way he writes his articles it seems like everything is just copied and pasted from previous articles.
                            There is nothing wrong with automated testing. What exactly do you think is wrong with using the software to report frame rate values? What would be the advantage of capturing frames? What would it show?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                              Actually there are those that make hardware with Tux right there on the box. How about a nice piece of kit like the Intensity Pro HDMI capture card? http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensity/ Theres no reason he can't beg for one, do a review on it and build a review setup for real frametime latency like PCPer has done and start testing for real.

                              But that would take actual effort and work, both things he seems adverse to given that he only reviews with what can be completely automated. With the way he writes his articles it seems like everything is just copied and pasted from previous articles.
                              The output latency is a different thing from input latency. All those hardware capture cards only measure the former, while the latter is far more important for interactive use. It's not a movie where only output latency would matter.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                                The output latency is a different thing from input latency. All those hardware capture cards only measure the former, while the latter is far more important for interactive use. It's not a movie where only output latency would matter.
                                Output latency matters for visual fluidity, tearing is not desired at all.

                                Input lag is more an issue with the monitor type you are using, but it's not the be all end all that "elite" gamers claim it to be, since most of what they are nitpicking about is at timescales so small that you can't possibly react fast enough to the visual input. I.E. visual data hits eyeball>brain processes visual data and sends command to hand>hand completes action. Thats the way it works since most current games aren't 100% pre-defined and timing based like Super Mario, where if you want to beat the game perfectly you have to know the game so good you initiate the actions before you see them because you already know where they are and what needs to be done.

                                Not to mention that they make the false assumption that LCD screens ever display at more then 60FPS/Hz. No matter the Hz rate the screen's don't display any faster, 240Hz is done by flickering the backlight to simulate the framerate of the old filming standards like 24 FPS film and 29.9 FPS broadcast TV. It's just a trick being played on your eyes.

                                Yes, I'm fully aware that the human eye can actually detect framerates of over 100FPS, but no consumer gear is designed to use more then 60FPS/Hz.

                                Put it this way, if input lag mattered so much nobody would be any good at console games and thats clearly not the case.

                                Originally posted by chrisb View Post
                                I imagine it's a combination of Phoronix not having the readership of the large Windows sites, and you overestimating the ease of smaller sites getting hardware. A quick search reveals Windows sites complaining about the same issue. http://www.wsgf.org/node/20729 "NVIDIA has not yet decided to support the WSGF with hardware for review and benchmarking. Considering that the WSGF is a hobby that just supports itself, I cannot justify spending the money needed to test NVIDIA cards"
                                Thats because Larabel has chased off a large portion of his reader base over the years with his lame reporting and bad reviews. Theres a reason that if you post a link to Phoronix on most Linux sites it goes ignored or the poster is denigrated for posting it.

                                It's like posting a link to Faux "News" or Prison Planet on any subject as a serious source.

                                Originally posted by djdoo View Post
                                Why don't you do all these yourself and show Michael and us how it should be done at a site run by you with benchmarks as you would prefer instead of always accusing others??

                                I am tired of all those I know everything guys and doing nothing...
                                I also hate Window$, their benchmark payed sites, and the guys that show them as something to follow!

                                Rot Microsoft in your awful Windows within your followers' empty brains!!
                                It's his site, but he is the only face of Linux benchmarking, it's his damn job to not make Linux users look like a bunch of morons. Larabel is the current status quo of Linux benchmarking and he's terrible at it.

                                I'm too busy with my work in politics(I'm not a politician, but I have worked for a few, I have no desire to run for office.) to start my own site else I would. it's a 12-18+ hour a day job, I've pulled more then a few 36+ hour runs as well, but I love it. Interesting people, travel a bit, talk with celebrities and other people that most people only ever get to see on TV, learn how things actually get done.(This varies wildly depending on what level or levels of government you are working with and what who is in what seats, most defiantly not a job for those that can't think very fast or have excellent recall. Remember, the staff or activists do the work, the politician sells it to the other politicians or the public.)

                                If you are wondering how I find time to post, simple, the work isn't constant and I can remote desktop into my home machine to post. Yes, I run Linux on my work laptop, with Windows7 rarely used in a VM for those times when Wine and ReactOS fail me.

                                As before, if you think I'm a fan of anything Microsoft you are sorely mistaken, but the windows review sites are the only ones to go to to find any real information at all about anything hardware related because Larabel is so shit at his job. Not all the sites are paid for, though there are ones where it's stupidly obvious like Tom's Hardware.

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