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  • #11
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    No, games need that now. Look at how much better DirectCompute runs on AMD cards. New games use that for stuff like global illumination.

    Crippling the compute capabilities of the GPU can now hurt games severely.
    Fermi does not fare better in DirectCompute tasks except with FP64 stuff, which isn't used in games.

    Conversely NVIDIA has their CUDA-based PhysX solution.

    There are a lot of OpenCL / DirectCompute tasks that have always been far better on AMD cards, and there are a lot of tasks that are far better with CUDA.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by wargames View Post
      Yeah, 1536 "crippled" CUDA cores, to force you to buy a $1000+ Tesla if you want to play with CUDA. Fuck you NVIDIA. AMD is going to crush you.
      This is a gaming graphics card.

      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      GPU prices are through the roof. Both from AMD as well as NVidia. Remember when the flagship cards used to cost around 400 dollars and the high-end models were going for about 300? Now we get an upper-end card for 400, the high-end one for 700 and the flagship card to a thousand.

      No, thank you.

      And there goes the theory that competition helps with prices. Unless of course this means that there actually is no competition.
      The exact same thing happened to PSUs; you got an increase in quality over years. The same thing is happening on graphic cards right now.

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      • #13
        I wonder if the recent price spikes are because they know this is their chance to make a profit with the new consoles coming out. The GTX 400 series and the HD4000 series are still good enough to play modern games, but there's a possibility that with the new consoles, even the Titan or 7990 will just barely keep up. So if they increase the prices of their products, PC gamers will want something that can out-do a console, and with such determination they'll be more inclined to pay extra to achieve that.



        Also note that tablets and Intel CPUs are catching up in graphics performance. Both AMD and Nvidia need to make their discrete GPUs seem worth getting, so by putting a high price point on it, it lets customers think that they're getting something extra special. That's how fancy restaurants work - put some comforting/descriptive words and a high price tag and suddenly an everyday meal becomes "exquisite".
        Last edited by schmidtbag; 05-30-2013, 07:00 PM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          GPU prices are through the roof. Both from AMD as well as NVidia. Remember when the flagship cards used to cost around 400 dollars and the high-end models were going for about 300?
          Uh, no. I remember when our flagship cards cost over $2,000.

          The Titan is aimed more at people who want high-performance double-precision math than it is at gamers, and my $200-ish GTX 660 plays every game I own at high to max settings.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by movieman View Post
            Uh, no. I remember when our flagship cards cost over $2,000.
            What? Radeon 9800 - 300 bucks. X1950XT - 300 bucks. HD4870 - 300 bucks. Get the pattern? The 4870 was vastly superior to the 9800. But it cost the same money. Those were high-end ones. The mid-upper range ones like Radeon 6850 were going for something like 180. Today's equivalent of that range go for double that amount.

            The Titan is aimed more at people who want high-performance double-precision math than it is at gamers, and my $200-ish GTX 660 plays every game I own at high to max settings.
            The Titan is aimed at gamers. It's marked and targeted at gamers. And it's bought by gamers.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              Fermi does not fare better in DirectCompute tasks except with FP64 stuff, which isn't used in games.

              Conversely NVIDIA has their CUDA-based PhysX solution.

              There are a lot of OpenCL / DirectCompute tasks that have always been far better on AMD cards, and there are a lot of tasks that are far better with CUDA.
              Considering the lifespan of CUDA vs. OpenCL I would hope CUDA still has some legs. However, the writing is on the wall. As OpenCL matures with the likes of LLVM/Clang helping expand its reach, CUDA, will lose out and Nvidia will dump it.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
                Considering the lifespan of CUDA vs. OpenCL I would hope CUDA still has some legs. However, the writing is on the wall. As OpenCL matures with the likes of LLVM/Clang helping expand its reach, CUDA, will lose out and Nvidia will dump it.
                In the HPC sector, probably not. In the consumer space, definitely.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                  What? Radeon 9800 - 300 bucks. X1950XT - 300 bucks. HD4870 - 300 bucks. Get the pattern?
                  Those aren't high-end cards. High-end cards used to be the kind of cards engineers used for designed airliners, and are now the kind of cards people use for complex computation rather than running games.

                  The Titan is in that category, where $1,000 has historically been cheap.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by movieman View Post
                    Those aren't high-end cards. High-end cards used to be the kind of cards engineers used for designed airliners, and are now the kind of cards people use for complex computation rather than running games.

                    The Titan is in that category, where $1,000 has historically been cheap.
                    http://www.nvidia.com/titan-graphics-card
                    GEFORCE® GTX TITAN
                    Supercomputer technology.
                    Revolutionary gaming.

                    The technology that powers the world's fastest
                    supercomputer is now redefining the PC
                    gaming experience.

                    Introducing GeForce® GTX TITAN.
                    Bring the powerful NVIDIA® Kepler™
                    architecture technology that drives
                    the Oak Ridge National Laboratory's
                    Titan supercomputer to your
                    next gaming experience.
                    Sure, the Titan is not meant for gaming.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                      Sure, the Titan is not meant for gaming.
                      You could run games on our $2,000 cards; it was actually one selling point for those cards over our competitors' $2,000 cards that couldn't. But they weren't designed for that and you'd have been mad to buy them for it.

                      By far the biggest difference between Titan and the cheaper Nvidia cards is double-precision floating point performance. That is irrelevant for gaming because no-one in their right mind uses it for games because performance sucks on Nvidia gaming cards. It is only useful for GPU computing.

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