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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dandel View Post
    As kano mentioned before, the video card you chose to begin with is not meant for games. That card was best suited for basic Desktop usage without games. Even phoronix's own reviews show that the Radeon HD6550D[2] performs on average two times faster than the Radeon HD6450 [1].


    [1] Radeon HD6450 review
    [2] AMD A8-3870K - Radeon HD 6550D Graphics ( Best comparision for integrated graphics )
    Yep, I'm quite aware of what it's intended for. My issues with this card aren't with the performance, but rather with the Fglrx issues that I can't seem to escape from. The open source driver works relatively better (GNOME Shell is slow-ish, but other desktops are just fine), but obviously 3d is out of the question for a low-end card like this.

    The gaming I do isn't high-end modern gaming like Battlefield 3. Whenever I do any gaming I usually lower the graphics settings anyway (less distractions). The 6450 just barely passes the mark for what I want to do; something like the 7750 I mentioned would very probably end up being overkill in itself. I didn't buy a 6450 expecting a 6850

    To turn back to one of the older posts about my comparison to Windows 7: I'm not a Windows user, but I needed Windows 7 over the last few months for work-related things. Windows' graphics are silky smooth, stable, don't tear, and generally performed faster than Linux with Fglrx. Obviously, I didn't want to stick with Windows for the sake of a more stable desktop. This is why I'll be grabbing some NVIDIA card. Granted, Fglrx has improved a lot for me over the last 6 months, but not really worth messing with any more.

    Edit for more stuff:


    Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
    - Ethics
    - Proper investment in FOSS drivers with both documentation AND developers
    - Improvements on the proprietary ones for home desktop usage on the top of the FOSS effort
    - FGLRX is far better than the usual suspects here make it out to be

    By the way Newfie, what does the rest of your rig look like?
    Ethics is fine, but Nouveau still exists with the NVIDIA driver. Sadly not receiving any official support, but it's arguably just as ethical as AMD. And, like I said in this post, Fglrx is just tiresome at this point. It's definitely improving, and it's much better than what people here tend to say, but it's still suboptimal compared to the competition. I'm not giving up on AMD; I'm just not going to be bothering with it on my main setup (I use some ancient card with the OSS drivers on another PC; works amazingly well for what it does).

    My setup is new-ish, and not *that* great. Good enough aside from the 6450, though:

    Phenom II x6 @ 2.9 ghz
    8 GB DDR3 memory
    Crappy generic 250w PSU (replacing that)
    AMD 785G chipset
    Last edited by Newfie; 06-28-2012, 04:43 AM. Reason: more info

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    • #32
      @PsynoKhi0

      I usually only use FOSS drivers for intel onboard. I have got snb + ivb to test. And with fglrx i test

      a) kernel support (currently 3.4-3.5 is missing)
      b) xserver support (1.12 on debian wheezy 64 bit is broken)
      c) xvba via xbmc fernet menta (h264 l5.1 is missing)

      a while ago i tried playing rage with wine, that worked with my old nv 8800 gts 512 but i had very bad artefacts with my amd hd 5670. cf was not really useable as well...

      I do not care about "ethics", btw. there exist nouveau as well. If you would test the same things that i do i would like to know what are your results...
      Last edited by Kano; 06-28-2012, 04:32 AM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Newfie View Post
        Ethics is fine, but Nouveau still exists with the NVIDIA driver. Sadly not receiving any official support, but it's arguably just as ethical as AMD.
        That makes no sense at all.

        Nouveau is completely unofficial and is in no-way related to nVidia as a company.

        AMD are actively trying to help progress the open-source Radeon driver with development documentation and other aids such as actively hiring staff to actually work on the open-source driver (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=OTQzNQ).

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        • #34
          If you want to play games and don't care about open-source, just use an NVIDIA card. It's frequently said that their proprietary driver is better than AMD's - though this does not mean that Catalyst is bad. Don't know however which nvidia card compares well to a 7700.

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          • #35
            I see you have Phenom.
            If you had Sandy Bridge I would advise you to buy AMD because you could do the same as me:
            one X running KDE for gaming and standard PC stuff running on AMD
            second X running XBMC on Intel HD for watching films and music
            Both have their own inputs and soundcards.

            I could not do this with NVIDIA because the moment Intel driver was loaded the NVIDIA blob did not work, blank screen.
            This was a year before so I don`t know if its work now.

            And if you want to try if something is running on HD 7750 I can test it for you.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by AlbertP View Post
              Don't know however which nvidia card compares well to a 7700.
              Unfortunately nothing. Both the 7750 and 7770 cost roughly the same as the 640, but beat it out by a mile. nVidia has no new mid-range cards available at the moment, the next card up is the 670 which is considerably more expensive.

              Originally posted by pixo View Post
              I see you have Phenom.
              If you had Sandy Bridge I would advise you to buy AMD because you could do the same as me:
              one X running KDE for gaming and standard PC stuff running on AMD
              second X running XBMC on Intel HD for watching films and music
              Both have their own inputs and soundcards.

              I could not do this with NVIDIA because the moment Intel driver was loaded the NVIDIA blob did not work, blank screen.
              This was a year before so I don`t know if its work now.

              And if you want to try if something is running on HD 7750 I can test it for you.
              Can you try a random assortment of Games inside Wine? (ones that are known to work on nVidia hardware, no point trying games that don't work at all anyway).

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              • #37
                How is this for a system?

                Originally posted by Dandel View Post
                I noticed that everyone keeps suggesting fixes, and completely forgets to ask some about the basic computer specifications.
                • Which distribution are you using?
                • How much memory is installed?
                • did you Build the Computer Yourself, or do a full system upgrade? ( Yes or No)
                  If the answer is yes, answer the Following:
                  • What is the Processor?
                  • What is the Motherboard?
                  • What type of Memory is in the pc? (DDR3, DDR2, ETC )
                  If the answer is No, answer the Following:
                  • What is the Vendor? ( Toshiba, Dell, HP, ETC )
                  • What is the Model?
                  • What is the Model Number?

                All of these questions will provide a much better overall suggestion than a blind suggestion.

                Anyways, I am certain that most of the performance problems is the graphics card, and an easy solution is to try the Radeon HD6670. I know of several gamers who have had excellent experiences on this card where they can play almost all games at maximum settings. I normally suggest video cards that are full size pci cards, however, I do know that there is some low profile cards available, and either of the following cards should handle the job well:

                Sapphire Radeon HD6670 (Low Profile)
                HIS Radeon HD6670 (Low Profile Ready)
                That Radeon HD6670 is too rich for my blood. Why it cost more than my last 2 PCs put together all by itself. Plus AMD sucks. Go Nvidia!

                This PC:
                HP a6712f, dual monitors: Dell SE19WFPv, acer AL1916 Dell MMS5650 5.1 surround with Audio Source front speakers, Antec Basiq PSU, Zotac GT520 gfx card, Dell mouse and keyboard - Not too shabby for $82 total

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3xi9lCmj-0

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                • #38
                  Let us have some facts!

                  Originally posted by Newfie View Post
                  Fglrx is just tiresome at this point. It's definitely improving, and it's much better than what people here tend to say, but it's still suboptimal compared to the competition.
                  What is it exactly about this driver, that is tiresome?? Does it work or not? It seems people have some old experiences and says its bad all the time. Let us get the facts instead of all that hand waving!

                  Personally I currently own a 8600 GT and the Nvidia driver (295.40) in Ubuntu 12.04 has some troubles with making X.org consume 100% CPU and freezing when playing Minecraft. It doesn't play nice with RandR (multimonitor setup). Some tweaks need to be made to xorg.conf to make the Limbo game work in a dual monitor setup. Otherwise it works OK for me. There you have it - that was not so hard...

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                  • #39
                    What is the advantage of matching monitors?

                    Originally posted by Enverex View Post
                    Googling it gives a bajillion wallpapers so it's apparently common, but I agree that it seems like a really weird resolution.
                    It may seem weird but in use it works well. I use the wide screen to watch video, and the 4x3 for regular computer apps. When I play Quake my crosshair isn't between the screens either.

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                    • #40
                      What competition?

                      Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                      - Ethics
                      - Proper investment in FOSS drivers with both documentation AND developers
                      - Improvements on the proprietary ones for home desktop usage on the top of the FOSS effort
                      - FGLRX is far better than the usual suspects here make it out to be


                      Yeah, wouldn't it be just great to have to shell out twice as much for half as good hardware, competition is such an overrated concept for us consumers.

                      Anyway...
                      HD7770 owner here, Gigabyte's model.
                      Fairly silent once the fan control kicks in, shorter than reference cards, performs great for the price.
                      Can't comment on XvBA since I stick to SMplayer with GL output.
                      ALSA is having problem with the HDMI output at the moment, if that's important to you.

                      By the way Newfie, what does the rest of your rig look like?
                      Do you mean AMD's race to the bottom? Even if there was only one chip manufacturer there would still be builder competition and seller competition. As far as I'm concerned there already is only one chip manufacturer now. I'd never buy AMD junk.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Newfie View Post
                        Yep, I'm quite aware of what it's intended for. My issues with this card aren't with the performance, but rather with the Fglrx issues that I can't seem to escape from. The open source driver works relatively better (GNOME Shell is slow-ish, but other desktops are just fine), but obviously 3d is out of the question for a low-end card like this.

                        The gaming I do isn't high-end modern gaming like Battlefield 3. Whenever I do any gaming I usually lower the graphics settings anyway (less distractions). The 6450 just barely passes the mark for what I want to do; something like the 7750 I mentioned would very probably end up being overkill in itself. I didn't buy a 6450 expecting a 6850

                        To turn back to one of the older posts about my comparison to Windows 7: I'm not a Windows user, but I needed Windows 7 over the last few months for work-related things. Windows' graphics are silky smooth, stable, don't tear, and generally performed faster than Linux with Fglrx. Obviously, I didn't want to stick with Windows for the sake of a more stable desktop. This is why I'll be grabbing some NVIDIA card. Granted, Fglrx has improved a lot for me over the last 6 months, but not really worth messing with any more.

                        Edit for more stuff:




                        Ethics is fine, but Nouveau still exists with the NVIDIA driver. Sadly not receiving any official support, but it's arguably just as ethical as AMD. And, like I said in this post, Fglrx is just tiresome at this point. It's definitely improving, and it's much better than what people here tend to say, but it's still suboptimal compared to the competition. I'm not giving up on AMD; I'm just not going to be bothering with it on my main setup (I use some ancient card with the OSS drivers on another PC; works amazingly well for what it does).

                        My setup is new-ish, and not *that* great. Good enough aside from the 6450, though:

                        Phenom II x6 @ 2.9 ghz
                        8 GB DDR3 memory
                        Crappy generic 250w PSU (replacing that)
                        AMD 785G chipset

                        That system specification reveals a lot. I would say that the only issue is expecting reasonable performance out of a video card that uses a 64-bit memory bus. It's already been proven on windows ( where the drivers have heavy optimizations). Anyways, most game developers try to target cards that have at least a 128-bit memory bus, and then as an after thought they rework things for the lower end cards. Also, I do agree that replacing the power supply is a must. Personally i would look at FSP or seasonic for power supplies, and try to keep around 500w total.

                        Anyways, what determines 90% of the performance is the graphics fillrates.

                        Anyways, I went ahead and looked at the graphics cards more, and got two groups of cards to suggest based on the card having 128-bit memory bus as a feature.

                        For Nvidia Graphics: [1]
                        GeForce GT 430 or higher
                        GeForce GT 530 or higher
                        GeForce GT 630 or higher

                        For AMD [2]: (Dedicated cards only )
                        Radeon HD 5550 or higher
                        Radeon HD 6500 or higher
                        Radeon HD 7570 or higher

                        [1] Wikipedia: Comparision of Nvidia Graphics cards
                        [2]Wikipedia: Comparision of AMD Graphics cards


                        Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                        That Radeon HD6670 is too rich for my blood. Why it cost more than my last 2 PCs put together all by itself. Plus AMD sucks. Go Nvidia!

                        This PC:
                        HP a6712f, dual monitors: Dell SE19WFPv, acer AL1916 Dell MMS5650 5.1 surround with Audio Source front speakers, Antec Basiq PSU, Zotac GT520 gfx card, Dell mouse and keyboard - Not too shabby for $82 total

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3xi9lCmj-0
                        I only suggested the Radeon HD6670 since that was the mid range card that is reasonable. Pretty much I would have suggested any card that was Radeon HD*500 or higher, where the card had 128-bit memory bus. This means that a Radeon HD5550, Radeon HD6550, and similar cards would work well.

                        Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                        Do you mean AMD's race to the bottom? Even if there was only one chip manufacturer there would still be builder competition and seller competition. As far as I'm concerned there already is only one chip manufacturer now. I'd never buy AMD junk.
                        That is completely biased because you are forgetting a lot of things. AMD is trying to innovate in order to be competetive. It's important to not forget that for many years intel sabotaged sales for amd because of behind the scenes agreements. These agreements Intel had resulted in large anti-trust fines being levied against Intel in the EU. There was a long time where AMD actually performed a lot better than intel did, but could not compete because of these agreements.

                        Anyways, I only pick AMD/ATI since they offer the best features for the price generally.

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                        • #42
                          Just the facts ma'am

                          Originally posted by Veto View Post
                          What is it exactly about this driver, that is tiresome?? Does it work or not? It seems people have some old experiences and says its bad all the time. Let us get the facts instead of all that hand waving!

                          Personally I currently own a 8600 GT and the Nvidia driver (295.40) in Ubuntu 12.04 has some troubles with making X.org consume 100% CPU and freezing when playing Minecraft. It doesn't play nice with RandR (multimonitor setup). Some tweaks need to be made to xorg.conf to make the Limbo game work in a dual monitor setup. Otherwise it works OK for me. There you have it - that was not so hard...
                          I just tried ATI or AMD or whatever they're calling themselves today binary driver and it worked once, and exactly once. Then it didn't work again. I was like WTG AMD for bringing the Windows world to Linux. I like my computer to be predictable, not some random POS.

                          BTW Nvidia has it's own way of doing dual screen called TwinView. You enable it by running nvidia-settings. Nvidia doesn't really do xrandr. That may be why you are having some difficulties there.

                          http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_twinview.html

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Paul Frederick View Post
                            I just tried ATI or AMD or whatever they're calling themselves today binary driver and it worked once, and exactly once. Then it didn't work again.
                            Some logs or maybe link to bugreport?

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                            • #44
                              I just got a 7770 not too long ago. Mine's an XFX.

                              On mine it works fine with a couple caveats.

                              Turn off the monitor auto off thing. There's a bug in mint that makes the cpu go crazy when the card turns off your monitor. I don't think it's related to the fglrx driver exactly.

                              The other bug I have is that print screen takes screenshots from hours ago. I think that is an fglrx bug, I'm not sure.

                              XvBA supposedly works for some stuff, but I'm not really sure. My CPU is powerful enough for it not to matter, and I think it might silently fall back to normal vid overlay when not in use. Have the patched mplayer and vlc which I don't remember about.

                              It's fine for nexuiz and Bastion, the only 2 games I've tried it with so far. I've found high quality stable settings at 120fps limited for Nexuiz. My unigine benchmarks are okay. Only one of them get down to 20-30 fps. Oddly, they don't make the fan go crazy like Nexuiz, even though the card seems to struggle more.

                              With my card I also haven't figured out how to control the fan, it spins up to max too quickly. Sure, temps never go above 62C, but it also seems to hit max fan at 60C. If anyone knows how to back it off a little, I'd appreciate.


                              In general, though, the card is fine. I think people act like the fglrx driver is worse than it is. Really I've got 4 mostly minor problems and 2 of them are not with the card, but actually bugs in other software, I think.

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                              • #45
                                Bug report?

                                Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                                Some logs or maybe link to bugreport?
                                How could I file a bug report? What am I going to say your driver fscking sucks it worked once and disappeared. I pulled the card and went back to my on board. It is better anyways.

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