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  • #16
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    That has to be the most ridiculous price tag I ever saw on a piece of hardware.
    I suppose you'd also summarize Intel's latest Extreme Edition CPUs as "justified in price" and "an excellent value".

    It's about $50US more than the last-generation equivalent, or about 10% more, which probably covers the unprecendented cost of the 28nm, and maintains the same profit margin. Most people can easily get by with a lesser GPU like a 78xx or 77xx series, so I doubt the "bragging rights" or the "I truly have no life" crowd will be too swayed by what you say is a "ridiculous" price tag.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ansla View Post
      Raw performance is not really that impressive, the gtx590 beats it in most other tests, and AMD's own HD6990 is faster in almost every test
      You don't really expect it to consistently beat the last generation dual GPU cards in every benchmark, do you? No single GPU card has ever done that before.

      For now, the 7970 is hands down the fastest single GPU card on the planet. Surely AMD will release a dual GPU 7990 card sometime soon, which will then absolutely crush the 590 and 6990 if the 7970 is any indication.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by leeenux View Post
        You don't really expect it to consistently beat the last generation dual GPU cards in every benchmark, do you?
        With that price? Hell yeah I expected that.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          With that price? Hell yeah I expected that.
          I don't think you get how this works. AMD releases new 7970, with the fastest benchmarks around. Shitloads of gamers and consumers see the news. They go to buy a new card, but balk at the price tag of the 7970, so they pick _any other AMD card_ because hey AMD makes the fastest stuff around right now dontcha know. Go sit in a Fry's or Best Buy or whatever some time, and watch just how many people come in and make the most confoundingly ridiculous purchase decisions there are -- often with the "friendly advice" of an "expert" salesman -- based solely on misinterpreted or misquoted marketing gimmicks. Most people who consider themselves computer experts have no fucking clue what they're talking about or what they're doing. None whatsoever. They read PC Magazine, built their own PC once, bought the Professional edition of Windows, and once they managed to follow an online guide on uninstalling some virus without reinstalling the OS, so dammit they're experts now and you better show your respect for their stunning intellect! (Can you tell I worked support once upon a time?)

          Prices drop down the line once there's competition, and maybe they start looking almost reasonable to buy (almost), but not really. Anyone paying even $300 for a GPU is doing something particularly stupid... like pissing away $100 more than any reasonable person ever needs to spend on a piece of computer hardware.

          This is the exact same logic as the Extreme Edition CPUs from Intel, which very obviously do not beat the performance you can get from SMP with two medium previous-gen CPUs. They don't care. People buying the parts don't care. It's all about making sure the news says "Company <FOO> makes the fastest thing" and then people buy all the low-end crappy parts from FOO independent of how they stack up against the comparable items from FOO's competitors because advertising-fu works.

          Or if you're the consumer, it's all about making sure that you can brag to your Internet gaming buddies that you have the fastest thing around and you're better than they are, because you don't have something better to do with your time/money (like someone who wants to sleep with you without asking for payment).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by leeenux View Post
            You don't really expect it to consistently beat the last generation dual GPU cards in every benchmark, do you? No single GPU card has ever done that before.

            For now, the 7970 is hands down the fastest single GPU card on the planet. Surely AMD will release a dual GPU 7990 card sometime soon, which will then absolutely crush the 590 and 6990 if the 7970 is any indication.
            I was not expecting it to do, but Q was claiming it is faster then the 590 based on the result of a single test (where the 7970 did very well). I just pointed out that he was talking about the exception, not the rule, and 7970 is not faster than 590 overall.

            So, to make it clearer, I don't think 7970 is a bad performer, just don't over-hype it claiming it's the "fastest card on earth" like the title of this thread does, 7990 will be the card intended for absolute top performance.
            Last edited by Ansla; 12-26-2011, 05:15 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
              With that price? Hell yeah I expected that.
              I wonder who you work for sometimes...

              I breaks down like this:

              Uber-gaming rig

              1 x Intel EE CPU: $1000

              32GB of DDR3 2133: $300

              Overpriced Intel motherboard: $300

              Uber power supply: $300

              Uber case: $200

              2 x 7970 in Crossfire: $1100

              Uber gaming peripherals: $300

              2 x Uber monitors: $700



              So, for the kind of person who would want this sort of rig, if they are going to spend $4100 on the entire setup, is it going to kill them to have to spend an extra $100?

              By the same token, anybody who would use a 7970 in a build where the GPU costs more than the rest of the build put together is a complete dumb-ass anyways, so we shouldn't really be concerned about saving them $50. This card is not made for the poor or the practical anymore than a Ferrari is, that's what Toyota (aka, the 7850 and below) is for.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by leeenux View Post
                I wonder who you work for sometimes...

                I breaks down like this:

                Uber-gaming rig

                1 x Intel EE CPU: $1000

                32GB of DDR3 2133: $300

                Overpriced Intel motherboard: $300

                Uber power supply: $300

                Uber case: $200

                2 x 7970 in Crossfire: $1100

                Uber gaming peripherals: $300

                2 x Uber monitors: $700



                So, for the kind of person who would want this sort of rig, if they are going to spend $4100 on the entire setup, is it going to kill them to have to spend an extra $100?

                By the same token, anybody who would use a 7970 in a build where the GPU costs more than the rest of the build put together is a complete dumb-ass anyways, so we shouldn't really be concerned about saving them $50. This card is not made for the poor or the practical anymore than a Ferrari is, that's what Toyota (aka, the 7850 and below) is for.
                No, you do a slightly more sensible build. More like a i5 2500K (overclocked) with 8 GB RAM, a fairly cheap motherboard, a decent PSU that isn't super-expensive, a cheap case that is still good, keep your graphics cards, get reasonably-priced peripherals, and three reasonably-priced monitors (which would be about that for the three, instead of two, probably). So you'd decrease the price significantly.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PreferLinux View Post
                  No, you do a slightly more sensible build. More like a i5 2500K (overclocked) with 8 GB RAM, a fairly cheap motherboard, a decent PSU that isn't super-expensive, a cheap case that is still good, keep your graphics cards, get reasonably-priced peripherals, and three reasonably-priced monitors (which would be about that for the three, instead of two, probably). So you'd decrease the price significantly.
                  OK, we'll do it your way:

                  Core i5 2500K $220

                  8GB DDR3 1600 $45

                  Less expensive Intel mobo suitable for this application: $130

                  Minimum power supply a sane person would pair with this GPU: $130

                  No frills full-ATX case that can fit the GPU: $60

                  Cheapest 1TB hard drive on Newegg: $120

                  3 x Basic monitor: $450

                  Basic keyboard and mouse: $40


                  So, before we've even bought the GPU, the rest of the rig already comes out to $1195. I guess RealNC's point was that $1755 for the full rig is totally unacceptable, but $1705 is reasonable(or $2305 and $2205 for 2 GPUs in Crossfire, respectively).

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                  • #24
                    Well, all I'm saying is that the price is unreasonable for this card. Sure, I do expect it to drop in a few months. But on the other hand, I don't remember seeing any single GPU card ever produced by NVidia or AMD/ATI being that expensive. I have been buying flagship cards for a long time. I've *only* been buying flagship cards, actually. Back in the day when the Radeon 9800XT was the beast, I bought that. Then later I got a Radeon X1950XTX. Later a Radeon HD4870. All of them when they first came out. The logic behind this is that the flagship cards last much longer (which they did.)

                    So now the 7970 is out with a price that doesn't compare to what I paid for any of the above when they were the coolest new gear around. Am I the only one seeing that the price of this card simply doesn't fit with how ATI has been handling this in the past?
                    Last edited by RealNC; 12-27-2011, 03:13 AM.

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                    • #25
                      AMD my have got fast cards, but even on WIN they are stupid as hell to deliver drivers that work out of the box with Philips tvs. I did not search long for a solution of inverted colors from time to time and put in a nv card instead in that box. Also nv does not use underscan by default on full hd tvs (most likely 1080p+audio), but AMD always does that. I really hate those presets...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        Am I the only one seeing that the price of this card simply doesn't fit with how ATI has been handling this in the past?
                        the price doesn't matter because the piece is only high because of the limited pieces.
                        later if they do have many cards in stock then they drop the price hard to sell the cards in stock,
                        high price only mean low in stock.

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                        • #27
                          nVidia is still superior in terms for performance and features for GNU/Linux platforms, and will remain this way until AMD seriously improves their drivers.

                          And don't forget, Kepler will arrive soon with full GNU/Linux support.

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                          • #28
                            It's perhaps expensive because the card is still brand new, and kind of exotic right now. When it has appeared in computer stores all over the world in a few months, you'll surely get (web)shops selling it cheaper to attract customers.

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                            • #29
                              nVidia is indeed superior on Linux but for Windows users the HD 7970 isn't that bad.

                              Do you know how much power the HD 7970 uses compared to the GTX 580 and 590?
                              HD 7970: TDP 250 W
                              GTX 580: TDP 244 W
                              GTX 590: TDP 365 W
                              It uses as much power as a GTX 580 but isn't the HD 7970 faster?
                              The GTX 590 is burning through 50% more power but is not 50% faster. The HD 7970 is more power efficient.

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                              • #30
                                Of course, for Windows users HD 7970 isn't bad. But GTX 580 still offers better value, with 90% of the performance of HD 7970 (1920x1200, Techpowerup's review), with a far lower price and good availability of third party coolers. The reference cooler for HD 7970 is also noisy, but does still draw acceptable power considering the performance.

                                Keep in mind retail availability of HD 7970 is after January 9th, and stocks will be limited.

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