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  • #31
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    It was fixed for truth. Something you cannot seem to handle.
    Sorry, but YOU are the one with serious problems accepting reality.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
      And by the way... nvidia blob is NOT by ANY means "excellent". It is a complete piece of barely supported garbage that usually ****DOES NOT WORK****. If you're OK with being blocked from updating your kernel for 2+ years because they refuse to fix a debilitating regression, then have fun. That would NOT satisfy me and I will be caught dead before giving those thieves even ONE CENT of my hard earned money for their trash.
      Works fine here, I can only attribute your troubles to incompetency.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
        Works fine here, I can only attribute your troubles to incompetency.
        Personal attacks now? I reported that, but if it ends up going back to you just because you're a moderator, I'll take it up personally with Michael. You have neither the right nor the justification to be a piece of shit asshole like you clearly are.

        Drop dead.

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        • #34
          The question whether AMD's or Nvidia's blob is better can of course only be answered with a Phoronix article.

          So get some equally expensive modern cards from AMD and Nvidia and benchmark them in:

          AMD OpenGL vs. Nvidia OpenGL
          AMD XVBA vs. Nvidia VDPAU
          AMD OpenCL vs. Nvidia OpenCL/CUDA
          AMD CrossFire vs. Nvidia SLI
          AMD Eyefinity vs. er, nevermind

          Of course this is totally not what the OP asked for, he wanted to know only about gaming.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            Personal attacks now? I reported that, but if it ends up going back to you just because you're a moderator, I'll take it up personally with Michael. You have neither the right nor the justification to be a piece of shit asshole like you clearly are.

            Drop dead.
            Well there is no other reason. The nvidia blobs work fine for thousands of people. Far better then any other solution but because you have an issue you prefer to make a blanket judgment. Go ahead and complain but I stand by what I say as someone that usually screams nonsense 99% of the time is the person to blame for their issue. FYI I have several older cards as well work just fine on newer kernels.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by chithanh View Post
              The question whether AMD's or Nvidia's blob is better can of course only be answered with a Phoronix article.

              So get some equally expensive modern cards from AMD and Nvidia and benchmark them in:

              AMD OpenGL vs. Nvidia OpenGL
              AMD XVBA vs. Nvidia VDPAU
              AMD OpenCL vs. Nvidia OpenCL/CUDA
              AMD CrossFire vs. Nvidia SLI
              AMD Eyefinity vs. er, nevermind

              Of course this is totally not what the OP asked for, he wanted to know only about gaming.
              AMD XVBA vs. Nvidia VDPAU, that is pretty much a given to vdpau. Widely supported and has had a lot more time to mature. AMD CrossFire vs. Nvidia SLI are both equally useless except for gpgpu computation.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                Well there is no other reason. The nvidia blobs work fine for thousands of people. Far better then any other solution but because you have an issue you prefer to make a blanket judgment. Go ahead and complain but I stand by what I say as someone that usually screams nonsense 99% of the time is the person to blame for their issue. FYI I have several older cards as well work just fine on newer kernels.
                I will be taking this up with Michael. I seriously question how he decided to pick you as a moderator.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                  I will be taking this up with Michael. I seriously question how he decided to pick you as a moderator.
                  Feel free to do so.

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                  • #39
                    Ladies keep it civil please. One V!NCENT is more than enough.

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                    • #40
                      On a second thought mate, just ban the bastard already!

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                      • #41
                        In order to test a gfx card driver you can simply get a cheaper one from each company and compare yourself. I see no reason to buy a high end product first to just try differnt drivers. I am sure not 100% of the users will be fine with nvidia, most likely those who want to use lots of monitors with 1 or 2 cards. Some features for that use case are only enabled with Quadro cards with nvidia chipset which is not really nice. Cheap (best: passively cooled) cards do not really matter if you run em with binary or oss drivers for lots of use cases - well you will never be able to run very demanding demos/games with em. Those are really rare on Linux anyway, maybe Unigine Heaven/Oilrush will not run correctly on those cards. If you have got a few bucks left just try it if you never used cards from the "other" company - it would not hurt... Highend cards are a bit harder to justify to buy just for testing, therefore test cheaper ones first, problems with the drivers are often the same or at least very similar - maybe you get additional problems with powermanagement on oss drivers with high performance cards, but i would say you wont be using oss drivers for those cards for permanent use anyway - that would be more or less false spent money.

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                        • #42
                          I am convinced that deanjo is getting a nice paycheck for this. Nobody can spew so much FUD for entertainment alone.

                          The fact is that 99% of all games ever released on Linux work great with AMD OSS drivers. I dare you to find one that does not work. I run a GTX 560 at work (+blob) and an HD4550 (+oss drivers) at home and honestly, the Radeon offers a better desktop experience.

                          That's not to say that the nvidia blob is bad, it just suffers from the standard problems these blobs have. The nvidia blob certainly offers fast and complete OpenGL 4+, but struggles with simple things like randr and kernel upgrades. Recently, it has struggled with resizing in KDE, totally broke gvim, and before that it fried your graphics card. It's software and all software has some bugs. The Mesa + kernel drivers are the proper way to support hardware under Linux, and here AMD is well ahead. The OSS drivers are slower, but perfectly sufficient for most people and most tasks. Especially if you plan to game on Windows. They support most of OpenGL 3.0, are at 75% of Catalyst in many benchmarks (and optimisation work is not yet finished), have decent powersaving, excellent 2d and randr support, and are really stable. Not quite as fast as the blob, and no GPGPU atm, but everyone should decide on their own where their priorities lie.

                          In general, it would be a good idea to simply ignore anything deanjo says about OSS drivers, or any OSS project, because it tends to be 90% false information. It's nauseating how much of what he wrote in here is wrong.
                          Last edited by pingufunkybeat; 06-14-2011, 06:47 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                            I am convinced that deanjo is getting a nice paycheck for this. Nobody can spew so much FUD for entertainment alone.

                            The fact is that 99% of all games ever released on Linux work great with AMD OSS drivers. I dare you to find one that does not work.
                            You mean like Solder of Fortune which gives you a screen full of garbage and NWN with random artifacts all over the place?


                            The nvidia blob certainly offers fast and complete OpenGL 4+, but struggles with simple things like randr and kernel upgrades. Recently, it has struggled with resizing in KDE, totally broke gvim, and before that it fried your graphics card.
                            Resizing was an issue on some cards which was fixed, gvim seemed to be isolated to you or your distro (I've shown you screen shots of it running fine in previous threads). The frying of cards was to a limited a few skus as well and was fixed promptly.

                            It's software and all software has some bugs. The Mesa + kernel drivers are the proper way to support hardware under Linux, and here AMD is well ahead.
                            Mesa is generic band aid solution. While it may be the "linux way" it is not necessarily the "proper" way of supporting the hardware itself given the fact that effectively neuters the cards capability on features that are present in the hardware.

                            The OSS drivers are slower, but perfectly sufficient for most people and most tasks.
                            But not sufficient enough to do what he is wanting to do if you read his planned uses.

                            They support most of OpenGL 3.0, are at 75% of Catalyst in many benchmarks (and optimisation work is not yet finished), have decent powersaving,
                            Still isn't up to par with the blobs, which is what I said.

                            excellent 2d and randr support,
                            Nvidias control panel works fine here for desktop use. 2D is perfectly fine here on the blobs as well.

                            and are really stable.
                            Not one nvidia blob related crash hear in years (excluding the early releases of vdpau support)

                            Not quite as fast as the blob, and no GPGPU atm,
                            Again more stuff that I said.

                            In general, it would be a good idea to simply ignore anything deanjo says about OSS drivers, or any OSS project, because it tends to be 90% false information. It's nauseating how much of what he wrote in here is wrong.

                            I'm wrong you say but most of what you said repeats the same things as what I say just with sugar coating to FOSS in a better light.

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                            • #44
                              "did too"
                              "did not"
                              "did too"
                              "did not"
                              "did too"
                              "did not"

                              Business as usual in the phoronix threads. Now I'd get some popcorn and watch, but I don't like popcorn, so I'll just watch and laugh at everyone.

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                              • #45
                                Nah, dean, it was the regular FUD and blatantly incorrect claims, followed by backpedaling and creative interpretation of what you've said.

                                I've just installed KDE 4.6.4. No blacklists
                                I've just played all the HiB games. No problems.
                                I've finished Prey, Doom3, Quake4 and Amnesia on a 3-year old low-end passive card. In HD. No problems.
                                I've used powersaving for years. Works perfectly.
                                NWN works: http://kdekorte.blogspot.com/2011/03...-on-r600g.html
                                Soldier of Fortune has been certified Platinum since Mesa 7.6: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram . If it doesn't work on your HW, file a bug
                                Id's Rage uses OpenGL 2.1. I don't know if it will run on Mesa, but my guess is that it will not take more than a week or two, even if it doesn't.

                                So many falsehoods in such a short thread, that's quite an achievement.

                                And then you have the misleading stuff like:

                                "you sacrifice A LOT in terms of performance" (=20% on new hardware, 0% on old)
                                "you sacrifice A LOT in terms of selection of software you can run" (what exactly?)
                                "you sacrifice A LOT in terms of power consumption" (no. just no.)
                                "NVIDA Excellent blob > featureless FOSS + higher power consumption + limited api support" (they both support 99% of what actual applications use. They BOTH have very limited API support)

                                Then you define "A LOT!!!!" to mean "5-15%" and rationalise it away. That's a pathetic abuse of the moderator status, you are using it to intentionally mislead people instead of trying to offer a level-headed explanation to users who are asking for facts.

                                Resizing was an issue on some cards which was fixed, gvim seemed to be isolated to you or your distro (I've shown you screen shots of it running fine in previous threads). The frying of cards was to a limited a few skus as well and was fixed promptly.
                                I guess these are not the droids I am looking for.

                                KMS, xrandr (= DE integration) and kernel integration are also not the droids I am looking for.

                                Only deanjo knows what we are all looking for.

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