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  • #16
    Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
    Sacrifices? Are you kidding me? Sacrifice is using nvidia blob. Sacrifice using a recent kernel, sacrifice reliability, sacrifice the possibility of working around defects without HOPING that somebody there might actually bother to one day a year or more from now actually deal with it.

    There is no sacrifice using the open source driver.
    Hah, you sacrifice A LOT using FOSS drivers in terms of performance, features, power consumption, selection of software you can run etc....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      Hah, you sacrifice A LOT using FOSS drivers in terms of performance, features, power consumption, selection of software you can run etc....
      Performance is more than adequate. Features... WAY more features with the open driver. Power consumption? Not interested, but not bad enough to worry about (even my laptop which has an NVIDIA chip runs nouveau -- better to lack ALL power management than deal with that POS blob), selection of software.... what parts of your brain are missing that you would come up with THAT bull?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
        Performance is more than adequate.
        Features... WAY more features with the open driver. Power consumption? Not interested, but not bad enough to worry about (even my laptop which has an NVIDIA chip runs nouveau -- better to lack ALL power management than deal with that POS blob), selection of software.... what parts of your brain are missing that you would come up with THAT bull?
        Typical FOSS zealot "These are not the droids you are looking for response".

        FOSS drivers, no h264 decode acceleration, no gpgpu support, really poor power management, no higher level oGL support. And forget about running anything that requires a greater level of openGL support then what mesa can provide. Hell there is good reason why software blacklists features when FOSS or ATI blobs are found.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
          FOSS drivers, no h264 decode acceleration,
          No, I get that from crystalhd... foss, and ACTUALLY WORKS. Soon, that will be provided via g3d.

          no gpgpu support,
          Redundant.

          really poor power management,
          That's only the case with NVIDIA reverse engineered foss support.

          no higher level oGL support. And forget about running anything that requires a greater level of openGL support then what mesa can provide.
          Redundant. There is no software that requires it.

          Hell there is good reason why software blacklists features when FOSS or ATI blobs are found.
          If you're referring to firefox... 1) doesn't require it. 2) firefox is NOT YET COMPLETE in this regard -- its FIREFOX that is the problem, not the drivers.
          Last edited by droidhacker; 06-13-2011, 10:00 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            No, I get that from crystalhd... foss, and ACTUALLY WORKS. Soon, that will be provided via g3d.
            So you can't do it on the FOSS card is what you are saying. g3d, oh ya, they are going support the API that nvidia put out.

            Redundant.
            "These are not the droids you are looking for"

            That's only the case with NVIDIA reverse engineered foss support.
            LMFAO, go ahead and bench Catalyst vs FOSS (never mind the superior nvidia blobs)

            Redundant. There is no software that requires it.
            "These are not the droids you are looking for"

            BS, there are many extensions that could be used, also do you think something like the upcoming Rage is going to run on FOSS drivers? Heck just read the forums and look at all the fun people had trying to get simple stuff like Humble Bundle stuff going on FOSS drivers.

            If you're referring to firefox... 1) doesn't require it. 2) firefox is NOT YET COMPLETE in this regard -- its FIREFOX that is the problem, not the drivers.
            Don't forget KDE.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
              So you can't do it on the FOSS card is what you are saying.
              Do you even have a brain? That is not at all what I am saying.

              g3d, oh ya, they are going support the API that nvidia put out.
              As well as every other API.

              "These are not the droids you are looking for"
              Do tell... what exactly does a starwars quote from the 70's have to do with video cards?

              LMFAO, go ahead and bench Catalyst vs FOSS (never mind the superior nvidia blobs)
              www.phoronix.com -- have a look. Michael already did.
              Of course, the results are IRRELEVANT since the numbers are all FAR above useful.

              "These are not the droids you are looking for"
              Come up with something original

              BS, there are many extensions that could be used, also do you think something like the upcoming Rage is going to run on FOSS drivers? Heck just read the forums and look at all the fun people had trying to get simple stuff like Humble Bundle stuff going on FOSS drivers.
              Huh? Relate this to ANYTHING that matters.

              Don't forget KDE.
              What about KDE?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                Do tell... what exactly does a starwars quote from the 70's have to do with video cards?
                Because you are trying to do the same mind trick in convincing other that "they don't need that" just because the FOSS drivers don't support it or are capable of it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                  Because you are trying to do the same mind trick in convincing other that "they don't need that" just because the FOSS drivers don't support it or are capable of it.
                  And as I already mentioned BOTH your crappy nvidia garbage AS WELL AS AMD have blob drivers... so if somebody wants to use blob drivers, THEY ARE EQUAL. If they get sick of that bull, then ONLY AMD has decent OPEN drivers.

                  NVIDIA == CRAP BLOB
                  AMD == CRAP BLOB + EXCELLENT OSS.

                  CRAP BLOB + EXCELLENT OSS > CRAB BLOB
                  AMD WINS.

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                  • #24
                    Did you REALLY test nouveau? It definitely advances MUCH faster than ati oss drivers. Of course you can get specs for ati cards, but that does not matter that much when you compare features and speed (at least for nvidia 8+).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kano View Post
                      Did you REALLY test nouveau? It definitely advances MUCH faster than ati oss drivers. Of course you can get specs for ati cards, but that does not matter that much when you compare features and speed (at least for nvidia 8+).
                      Not in depth, I quite frankly couldn't care less about 3d or any other "advanced"/acceleration function on that device, all I want there is basic KMS and X. The main noteworthy aspect is that there is still virtually no power management (I think I read somewhere about recent reclocking work, but I don't think its past experimental yet...)

                      I have never had the impression that nouveau advances at more than a snail's pace. They started LONG before AMD's open source work began and remain behind. Which is not to say that the work isn't impressive -- that it most certainly IS.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                        NVIDIA == Excellent BLOB + real world used features
                        AMD == CRAP BLOB + Slow but stable OSS

                        NVIDA Excellent blob > featureless FOSS + higher power consumption + limited api support
                        NVIDIA WINS.
                        Fixed that for you so that it sticks within the realm of reality of this universe.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                          Fixed that for you so that it sticks within the realm of reality of this universe.
                          You didn't fix anything, you just proved your own ignorance. Now go crawl back into your hole.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            I have never had the impression that nouveau advances at more than a snail's pace. They started LONG before AMD's open source work began and remain behind.
                            nouveau started in 2008, AMD in 2007 with releasing their specs, even far longer if you want to include the work that was done on the radeon driver.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                              You didn't fix anything, you just proved your own ignorance. Now go crawl back into your hole.
                              It was fixed for truth. Something you cannot seem to handle.

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                              • #30
                                And by the way... nvidia blob is NOT by ANY means "excellent". It is a complete piece of barely supported garbage that usually ****DOES NOT WORK****. If you're OK with being blocked from updating your kernel for 2+ years because they refuse to fix a debilitating regression, then have fun. That would NOT satisfy me and I will be caught dead before giving those thieves even ONE CENT of my hard earned money for their trash.

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