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  • #46
    In fairness, this was one of those "I have the hardware, and I've already installed Lucid, what can I do with it *today* ?" articles.

    I imagine there will be a proprietary-vs-proprietary follow-up at some point.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by bridgman View Post
      In fairness, this was one of those "I have the hardware, and I've already installed Lucid, what can I do with it *today* ?" articles.

      I imagine there will be a proprietary-vs-proprietary follow-up at some point.
      Phoronix has invested a lot of time in automating benchmark suites. All you had to do was install fglrx and rerun the same tests, and you would have had a much more informative and less misleading benchmark. The issue here is that anyone with any knowledge of how these things work could have predicted the results of this test. "Proprietary driver beats open-source driver badly in 3D accelleration!" The only variable is how many times faster is the proprietary one. So the people who follow open source hardware drivers learn nothing, and those who are new to these things think "ION beats 4330 in linux" as they can't always understand the specific circumstances that lead to this result.

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      • #48
        Yes and no - the tests were run a couple of days before we released the proprietary driver for Lucid.

        Now that the driver is out, it's possible to run a proprietary vs proprietary benchmark on Lucid.

        Maybe Michael will run an fglrx vs Nouveau comparison just to keep everything completely fair and balanced

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        • #49
          Originally posted by psperl View Post
          Phoronix has invested a lot of time in automating benchmark suites. All you had to do was install fglrx and rerun the same tests, and you would have had a much more informative and less misleading benchmark. The issue here is that anyone with any knowledge of how these things work could have predicted the results of this test. "Proprietary driver beats open-source driver badly in 3D accelleration!" The only variable is how many times faster is the proprietary one. So the people who follow open source hardware drivers learn nothing, and those who are new to these things think "ION beats 4330 in linux" as they can't always understand the specific circumstances that lead to this result.
          Don't be silly flrgx didn't work on Lucid last week how could he have possible have tested it! Its not like he could have used a different distro or anything. ;-)

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          • #50
            Yes, that's true, fglrx not supporting the newest xserver is indeed annoying. That problem should end very soon though and this test should have been run on Ubuntu 9.10, which is the current release version of Ubuntu that most people are using, which fglrx supports.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
              Unlike the people working on Gnome and Hurd, the general public is not inclined to reinvent the wheel
              Now that's insulting! Go use Windoze if you don't want to reinvent the wheel and stop reading Phoronix, whose focus is Linux and other FOSS operating systems.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by psperl View Post
                I am a regular phoronix reader and am suprised at the misleading article you have posted.
                Of course anybody who actually READS the article would not come to that conclustion.

                There is absolutely no legitimate justification for the way you handled this benchmark. Proprietary NVIDIA vs. Open-Source ATI is not a fair comparison, and the lack of fglrx, nv, and nouveau, etc. make your intentions quesitonable.
                Benchmark against the best linux performing driver as reference.


                You have the responsibility of giving people information that is not misleading. fglrx is the equivalent to nvidia's proprietary driver and may even outperform it.
                Nothing misleading about it. However your statement saying fglrx may even out perform it would be misleading.

                Many people will assume ION is better than 4330 wihtout the knowledge to realize your test was seriously rigged.
                Nothing rigged about it. Again read the article. The ion, for all intense purposes is the better solution at the moment of taking the benchmarks. Again read the article.

                The only thing misleading are the comments that the article was rigged because it is painfully obvious that they did not read the damn thing.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                  Benchmark against the best linux performing driver as reference.

                  Nothing misleading about it. However your statement saying fglrx may even out perform it would be misleading.
                  Is it? I don't know. I guess the best way to find out is to do a benchmark fglrx vs nvidia. But with a decent CPU and minimal HD 4670 or higher and NVidia equivalent. Nobody is going to game with an atom based system.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                    Nobody is going to game with an atom based system.
                    Why not? It's fully capable of it with a ION chipset and the nvidia blobs.

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