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  • #31
    Originally posted by duby229 View Post
    It's unfair because it's incomplete. It sure does show a performance delta, but it doesnt show everything that should be... Whether it was meant to be a quick test or not, incomplete is still incomplete. It doesnt show at least 2 other solutions that may or may not be better for you.
    'Fairness' and completeness are two different issues. It is true that the benchmarks didn't test all the possible options, but within what they tested there isn't anything unfair--well, the AMD card is apparently more powerful. So, two similar systems, two cards, two drivers, which one performs better? Probably most people expected these results, but the benchmark puts numbers to it: now you know for sure and in quantitative terms. Who could say before reading this article that radeon already pulls off 1/4 to 1/2 the frame rate achieved by Nvidia, and in a three times cheaper machine?

    That Phoronix couldn't test Fglrx because there wasn't support for the newest X server is a priceless anecdote, and one that reflects splendidly what an owner of one of these cards is expected to experience. On the other side of things, the OSS driver works with the newest bits as advertised. Although it can't really compete yet, it does work and its performance is within one order of magnitude of that of the optimised binary from the competition. I'm surprised I am the one seeing these results under a good light for radeon. Has the Freedom camp in Phoronix given up? That would make this place boring : D

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    • #32
      Sorry Phoronix this article is the most crap that i have ever seen. Whis this you kill your credibility.

      Many People doesn't care about OS vs CS Driver they see only in this Benchmark Ion is fasterr and nothing more.

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      • #33
        People have been saying it's a crap article, but perhaps we should all give something more constructive?

        The article did make clear that the results were from a test using ubuntu 10.04, and that the video drivers were not equally matched. There was even a note that the intel cards couldn't be tested. But apparently that was glazed over by most readers who only saw an "ion vs radeon" test - so perhaps the layout could be changed, or more emphasis made in certain areas to point some things out? Sometimes people see a bunch of text and don't really read it, but rather look at a pretty graphic, so less text in areas could mean more. Can anyone offer anything else?

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        • #34
          Usually the 3d speed of ION does not interest anybody. The main purpose is to use vdpau as htpc, maybe using xbmc or something similar. I even tried to use vaapi with the latest prerelease fglrx drivers but not even that works yet. Why should somebody add an ati card when nvidia onboard would allow vdpau? That's the most stupid downgrade that i can think of! Even when the tests are repeated with fglrx they are useless.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mirv View Post
            People have been saying it's a crap article, but perhaps we should all give something more constructive?
            Because there is only 1 Point why ppl so angry. This test bench an FOSS vs Closed Driver.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Nille View Post
              Because there is only 1 Point why ppl so angry. This test bench an FOSS vs Closed Driver.
              Yes, and everybody knows that the text file containing the license makes a huge difference in frame rate and overall performance.

              Hurry up! You are still on time to warn Phoronix before they benchmark Windows and MacOS vs Linux.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                Yes, and everybody knows that the text file containing the license makes a huge difference in frame rate and overall performance.

                Hurry up! You are still on time to warn Phoronix before they benchmark Windows and MacOS vs Linux.

                No but the FOSS Driver is not complete and is not optimized.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Nille View Post
                  No but the FOSS Driver is not complete and is not optimized.
                  Do you think the FOSS driver will ever be "complete"?
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Michael View Post
                    Do you think the FOSS driver will ever be "complete"?
                    Is any driver "complete"?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Nille View Post
                      No but the FOSS Driver is not complete and is not optimized.
                      I'm sorry but that is beyond the lamest excuse ever. Would you say that it's not "fair" to benchmark wine vs windows as well?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kano View Post
                        Usually the 3d speed of ION does not interest anybody. The main purpose is to use vdpau as htpc, maybe using xbmc or something similar. I even tried to use vaapi with the latest prerelease fglrx drivers but not even that works yet. Why should somebody add an ati card when nvidia onboard would allow vdpau? That's the most stupid downgrade that i can think of! Even when the tests are repeated with fglrx they are useless.
                        I think Kano got it right here. I am not saying that the test is useless, simply because it compares different drivers.

                        Actually, the article reinforced it to me again that my ION purchase was right. I truly believe that ATI has better hardware per $, but what does that matter when it can't run right. Included in that is the fact that their proprietary driver doesn't work on 10.04 yet (a month before release!).

                        I would love to use ATI's hardware in my HTPC setups, but since they don't even have XV acceleration yet, I am not interested.

                        But it would have been nice to have 1080P/720P video tests included. I already know the outcome, but it still would keep one up to date (even if there is no change).

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                        • #42
                          As a free software advocate, I liked this benchamrk because it shows that an incomplete open driver is useable. It can't compete yet ofcourse but it can play some games and that's terrific. Most important at the moment is to have workable drivers and only when this is a fact we should ask for maximum performace.

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                          • #43
                            I use ATI. Are you saying that the opensource driver lacks xv. Opengl makes a pretty good alternative renderer. Mplayer is about the best video player around. Compile it for your processor extension and watch it fly.

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                            • #44
                              I think gtrawoger was saying that Xv on fglrx has some tearing.

                              The open drivers have supported Xv for a long time, unless you're talking about Evergreen where acceleration including Xv is WIP.

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                              • #45
                                I registered to complain becuase this article was so bad!

                                I am a regular phoronix reader and am suprised at the misleading article you have posted. There is absolutely no legitimate justification for the way you handled this benchmark. Proprietary NVIDIA vs. Open-Source ATI is not a fair comparison, and the lack of fglrx, nv, and nouveau, etc. make your intentions quesitonable.

                                You have the responsibility of giving people information that is not misleading. fglrx is the equivalent to nvidia's proprietary driver and may even outperform it.

                                Many people will assume ION is better than 4330 wihtout the knowledge to realize your test was seriously rigged.

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