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  • #31
    Originally posted by renethx
    For a Linux-based Media front-end?
    - X4500HD vs X4500: Does not matter, I think. "HD" supports hardware decode acceleration for H.264/VC-1, but there is no linux driver supporting it?
    - 16GB vs 8GB memory support: Does not matter at all. 2GB is enough.
    - VT-d: Are you running HTPC as a VM? I don't think it works well.
    - ICH10 vs ICH7: At least two more SATA ports.
    X4500HD sounds unneeded then, as the discrete card will take care of this.
    Might be handy as a back-up in Windows if the discrete dies though?

    The difference in price is negligible, so I may as well get a mobo that supports 16GB RAM, even if I never use it.

    Good point Re VT-d, it's best suited for a X58 + Core i7 + heaps of RAM in a server env. etc.
    As this is meant to be a dedicated media front-end, I can't see any handy use for it.

    I believe ICH10R adds firmware raid functions which I think are mostly irrelevant for my usage (I'll have a dedicated NAS/PVR).
    But what about ICH10D & ICH10-D0, what do they bring?
    W.R.T ICH10 Vs ICH7; I'm pretty sure there's more significant differences, I will investigate further.


    Originally posted by renethx
    What's your budget for mb? G45 > $100 (many good G45 mb have been discontiuned; LGA1156 is coming soon), G43 < $90. If you decided to go for GeForce GT 220/240, spending money on G45 is not a good idea, IMO.
    I suppose....

    Why pay extra $ for the G45 when the only thing it offers above the G43 is the X4500HD?
    Particularly considering that the discrete will do everything the HD does and more!?

    The X4500 would still be fine as a back-up if the discrete dies...
    It's not as though it or the X4500HD would remain as the primary GPU in that scenario anyway!

    So that rules out G45 then.
    Last edited by jalyst; 12-13-2009, 11:13 AM.

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    • #32
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub
      Yep page 44....
      http://www.intel.com/assets/pdf/datasheet/319973.pdf

      ICH10D is the same as ICH10DO except that:
      1) It doesn't have Intel Matrix RAID.
      2) It's version of Intel AMT is more basic.

      Both these SB are unique in that they have:
      1) Intel TPM
      2) JTAG boundary scan
      3) Intel AMT

      ICH10 is the same as ICH10R except that:
      1) It doesn't have Intel Turbo Mem.
      2) It may or may not have AHCI
      3) It doesn't have Intel Matrix RAID

      Both these SB are unique in that they have:
      1) Wake on VoIP
      2) Intel ViiV
      3) Intel RWT

      ICH7 family data-sheet
      http://www.intel.com/assets/pdf/datasheet/307013.pdf

      To my mind none of these features are necessary....
      But ICH10 as-a-whole has seen other improvements (as evidenced in the sheets/wiki) since ICH7.

      I'm almost settled on G45, it just depends on whether X4500 + ICH10/R is more useful than:

      X4500 + ICH10DO [Intel TPM + JTAG BS + Intel VT-d + Intel Matrix + Intel AMT 5.x Pro] (Q45)

      I'm going to embed links to all the features I'm uncertain about...
      So I can get a picture of what exactly they all are, and make an informed decision from there.

      As I recall things like: TPM, JTAG BS, VT-d, & AMT also depend on the OEM I buy from.
      Some non-Intel mobo makers don't include or provide subsequent updates for them via their BIOS img.
      Last edited by jalyst; 12-14-2009, 02:00 AM.

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      • #33
        Actually most implementations of g43 are more limited than officially stated.
        Intel's site itself contains lots of conflicting info...

        I've looked at differences in prices for g43/45 boards locally and it's no more than $20 Ausd on avg.
        Just to be safe I'm moving to g45.....

        I'm also scratching Q43 so that leaves only G45/Q45 as finalists, see above.
        Last edited by jalyst; 12-14-2009, 10:33 AM.

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        • #34
          Well I've read up more on: Intel TPM + JTAG BS + Intel VT-d + Intel Matrix + Intel AMT 5.x Pro
          And none of them are particularly useful...

          Even if the motherboard was re-purposed I'd rather have X4500HD than any of them, except for maybe Intel Matrix Storage.
          But the latter can be had with G45 anyway so the choice is clear; G45-in/Q45-out, now to chose the exact G45 motherboard.

          Originally posted by jalyst View Post
          ... I'm almost settled on G45, it just depends on whether X4500 + ICH10/R is more useful than:

          X4500 + ICH10DO [Intel TPM + JTAG BS + Intel VT-d + Intel Matrix + Intel AMT 5.x Pro] (Q45)

          I'm going to embed links to all the features I'm uncertain about...
          So I can get a picture of what exactly they all are, and make an informed decision from there.

          As I recall things like: TPM, JTAG BS, VT-d, & AMT also depend on the OEM I buy from.
          Some non-Intel mobo makers don't include or provide subsequent updates for them via their BIOS img.

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          • #35
            anyone know the answer to this one?

            Originally posted by jalyst
            Does anyone know if CULV is available in a socketed format instead of BGA?
            Or at least soldered onto a Intel mATX motherboard that's available stand-alone instead of w/a laptop?

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            • #36
              Can someone help me out with these remaining questions too?
              The top GPU in the low-end (40nm/dx10.1) GT 2xx series is the GT 240 right? [aka GT215]
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

              Does anyone know where all the exact differences are documented?
              Had a look around but couldn't find anything decent...

              Does it draw much more & run hotter than the 220 as a result, or only when gaming?
              It doesn't surpass the 220 [aka GT216] in-terms of video assistance, only 3d acceleration right?
              Pretty sure all VP4 cards are the same in-terms of video abilities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs
              Leaving the only points of differentiation as 3d/physics acceleration....

              Would the GT 240 be better than the 9600GT for 3d acceleration?
              Someone in another thread answered this & reckons it's about the same...

              With these Intel IGP chipsets; does the IGP switch-off entirely if a discrete card's inserted?
              Again someone answered, claims it's off entirely when it detects a discrete card in the 16x slot.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by jalyst View Post
                Is x4500HD significantly better than x4500 in any way?
                Not until they finish their Linux drivers.

                Does anyone know if CULV is available in a socketed format instead of BGA?
                Maybe this, with a Core 2 Duo SU9x00? Alas, I think I see "PCI slot" rather than PCIe for you to stick a GT2x0 into.

                I don't get why Asus, MSI, Gigabyte etc aren't cranking out Socket P motherboards. Surely they'd sell?

                It seems like nobody quite has the perfect equipment yet, though several different approaches get tantalizingly close. ION would be perfect except for about 10% of my MPEG4 files. ION2 which corrects that, is now rumored for January (if you can believe rumors, which have already been wrong once about this platform). AMD has some 25W/35W CPUs coming "soon"(?) and the ATI drivers are getting better and better, but none of it is still quite ready today. I wish they'd all stop teasing us.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Zapitron View Post
                  Maybe this, with a Core 2 Duo SU9x00? Alas, I think I see "PCI slot" rather than PCIe for you to stick a GT2x0 into.

                  I don't get why Asus, MSI, Gigabyte etc aren't cranking out Socket P motherboards. Surely they'd sell?
                  Ah sweet, had no idea there was was a socket P (learning as I go), seems to be the socket for 'mobile Core2' CPU's, thanks!
                  Yeah it's a shame where everything is at, but I can no longer play the waiting game....
                  If I can't find a decent mobo based on socket P, then I'll just have to continue w/G45 + lowest power desktop core2duo.
                  Last edited by jalyst; 12-16-2009, 07:25 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Found out the chip-sets one wants mobile core2duo; GM45 & PM45
                    Uses ICH9-M instead of ICH10x, but that's good enough imo?

                    Once again getting ridiculous conflicting info on Intel's site.
                    Not 100% certain but I think GS45 has the same capabilities as the GM45, but in a smaller form-factor.
                    http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...GS45/index.htm
                    So in the mobile sphere only GM45 & PM45 remain, not even considering PM55.

                    This is almost perfect, cept PCIe is only 1x.
                    I'd also prefer to have four dimms & that prolly aint gunna happen on mITX!
                    http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=pr...8&prod_no=1526

                    ****************

                    Found a few others, tried google search for GM45 motherboard & PM45 motherboard & variations around that.
                    But it doesn't look like any are going to be bigger than mITX (makes sense if the platform is mostly for laptops),
                    and none so far have PCI + PCIe 16x, only PCI + PCIe 1x + miniPCI

                    ****************

                    So close yet so far
                    http://www.tebyte.com/2008/07/dfi-an...therboard.html
                    http://cti.acesuppliers.com/news/new_1_267.html
                    http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3233
                    This is all logic supply's got
                    http://compare.logicsupply.com/matri...nent=mainboard

                    Think this is the best I've seen yet but no only 2 dimms & no DDR3,
                    http://www.ibase-usa.com/MI945P.html
                    Might have to settle for it or go for a G45 mobo, which will give my everything I want for less of a premium, but a higher overall TDP

                    Anyone else found something? The holy grail =

                    mATX form-factor or less, GM45/PM45-based mobo w/ 1x PCIe 16x, 1x PCI, DD3 support, 4 so/dimms nice but not imperative, all the other usual stuff.
                    HDMI not necessary & neither is on-board sound, as both will be covered by discrete cards.
                    Last edited by jalyst; 12-16-2009, 07:18 AM.

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                    • #40
                      This is the lowest max TDP mobile core2duo atm
                      http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id...00&spec-codes=
                      Found it using this....
                      http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollecti...familyId=26548

                      Max TDP for core2duo desktop processors doesn't seem to vary at all.
                      http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollecti...familyId=26547
                      Wonder how I'm going to establish which is the lowest power, just pick lowest clock?

                      This seems to be lowest clock/cache in that category...
                      http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id...es=SL9TB,SLA99
                      Last edited by jalyst; 12-16-2009, 02:58 AM.

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                      • #41
                        This one is sorted here
                        http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showt...t=19699&page=7

                        Can someone help me out with these remaining questions too?
                        The top GPU in the low-end (40nm/dx10.1) GT 2xx series is the GT 240 right? [aka GT215]
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

                        Does anyone know where all the exact differences are documented?
                        Had a look around but couldn't find anything decent...

                        Does it draw much more & run hotter than the 220 as a result, or only when gaming?

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                        • #42
                          These are the nicest g45 mobos (in the order they appear) I've come across after scouring for reviews.
                          http://hardwareguru.com/article/giga...oard-review/16
                          http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2365
                          And of the p45 this seems to be the most high profile...
                          http://www.elitebastards.com/index.p...7&limitstart=6

                          Would prefer g45-based I think....
                          They'd perform very similarly at base settings & g45-based still offers a nice featureset and decent OC'bility (if I want it)...
                          Plus it has the advantage of a back-up GPU!

                          Just need to decide on CPU & RAM...
                          Last edited by jalyst; 12-19-2009, 03:50 AM.

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                          • #43
                            When you want to think about it > 1 month then clarkdale (most likely called i3) will be another choice.

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                            • #44
                              Clarkdale systems will carry a premium for at least their 1st 6mth...
                              Socket 775 'Core-based' systems will become even better value during that time.

                              I wish I could hold-off for >1mth....
                              I imagine G45 mobo's & Core2Duo desktop CPU's will have some significant price drops in the 1H of 2010.

                              Any thoughts on posts: #39, #40, & #42?

                              All the best.
                              Last edited by jalyst; 12-19-2009, 03:42 AM.

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                              • #45
                                I think G45 will not drop that fast as it a premium replacement chipset for s775 systems - and not really needed for low cost. But next year there will be definitely the end of s775 boards as soon as there are cheaper s1156 boards - maybe to the end of the year.

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