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  • #91
    Would not be the worst idea to make public beta drivers then.

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    • #92
      can you imagine the whining when a beta driver crashs boxes?

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      • #93
        Hi Luther,

        I couldn't get X to load with catalyst 9.10 and my 5750. Although the stream beta drivers work, so you could try them. There was also a hack mentioned by kano to disable the testing overlay relating to the stream beta drivers in another thread here. Unfortunately I only have the one monitor and can't test dual or triple head for you.

        Cheers, Evan.

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        • #94
          @energyman

          That's the "normal" case anyway when you test new features - even on "stable" drivers. Nothing new to ATI "beta" drivers. Nv "beta" drivers have in most cases production quality however.

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          • #95
            If AMD released public beta drivers, I can think of a few non-technical reasons why this could go wrong:
            1) If a bug is there, it will raise undue complaints even if it's long fixed in internal builds.
            2) Support - AMD will have to deal with more people wanting support for a beta driver, even if AMD takes the stance of not supporting it properly. It won't stop people trying to get support, and may slow down driver development in general.
            3) Support additional: AMD will have a harder time tracking down customer problems if they're using beta builds. It's better to have defined milestone builds to help sort out problems rather than going over several beta builds with various changes to find a problem that may no longer exist.

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            • #96
              Did you ever get fglrx SUPPORT? You get one driver per month, no matter if it works or not.

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              • #97
                Bridgman hangs around the forums, and he does have an interest when there's proper complaints of it not working.

                I'm not a workstation customer.

                As I mentioned, not much will stop people contacting AMD trying to get support, and dealing with that could slow things down.

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                • #98
                  It never happend that you got a new driver when something did not work as "full" release. Only U managed to get prerelease drivers which they only published "half", no real original installer file was available.

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                  • #99
                    Traditional software development; BETTER! FASTER! RUSH IT OUT THE DOOR NOW!!!!! (took 20% of total development time and costs)

                    Ohhhhhhhhhhhh shit! It doesn't work... full of bugs. Ten thousand users complain...

                    Fixing the codebase = 80% of total development time and costs.

                    ... *sigh*

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                    • The problem with fglrx is that it lacks about 2-3 month behind in several aspects:

                      a) kernel support
                      b) xorg support
                      c) hardware support

                      Nv tries to fix all 3 issues with new drivers in a way it does not take so long. There you get often kernel suport even for eary rc kernels, ati thinks they are forced to wait till the kernel is stable before they are allowed to download and test it. same applies for xorg. For hardware support issues the point is that most hardware basically works, but they tend to annoy people whereever they can using watermarks. Use a beta mark in logfile or as splash, thats really enough! To remove all watermarks look there:

                      http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19875

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                      • Originally posted by Kano View Post
                        The problem with fglrx is that it lacks about 2-3 month behind in several aspects:

                        a) kernel support
                        b) xorg support
                        c) hardware support

                        Nv tries to fix all 3 issues with new drivers in a way it does not take so long. There you get often kernel suport even for eary rc kernels, ati thinks they are forced to wait till the kernel is stable before they are allowed to download and test it. same applies for xorg. For hardware support issues the point is that most hardware basically works, but they tend to annoy people whereever they can using watermarks. Use a beta mark in logfile or as splash, thats really enough! To remove all watermarks look there:

                        http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19875
                        So if I can get this straight...watermarks on beta drivers not officially release by amd annoy the people that shouldn't (read: AMD doesn't intend for them to) have the drivers anyway?
                        I think we'll have to agree to disagree - I prefer AMD's monthly release cycle over nvidia's spontaneous approach, and I have no problems with a stable system being targeted first and foremost.

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                        • Well to avoid the signature check thats a trivial thing, one echo/sed and it is gone. To avoid the control / unsupported hardware check you can

                          a) analyse the content to be able to create it yourself (tried yesterday, but was unsuccessfull)
                          b) patch the binary (that worked)

                          monthly releases with absolutely no visual fix to 99% of the users are pointless.

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                          • Kernel support and xorg support lag a bit because they are not high priorities. Hardware support generally does not lag, other than alignment issues between monthly driver releases and (occasionally) more frequent hardware launches.

                            We offer in-box Linux drivers to our board partners before launch; unfortunately once again only the Windows drivers were picked up and shipped with boards. We're making arrangements to post the launch driver separately. Hopefully board vendors will start including Linux drivers in the box at some point, which is how all the other OSes are handled today.

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                            • The ATI definition of "a bit" with 2-3 month is not my definition. Also you don't need to test all cards, as fglrx uses ATOM bios just like the oss driver - then lots of cards work - even without testing.

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                              • Releasing drivers without testing is generally a very bad idea - especially if you can test it on the hardware.

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