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  • #16
    not to mention that on Linux, if something merely exists, it simply HAS to add to the "jungle"..

    ill bet you if i wrote 10 new different sound servers and audio decoding/output libaries, the mongers that dont understand anything would instantly use them in their "linux audio is a mess!!!!! rampage"

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      You mean this? I can't stop laughing when I look at it. It's big, chaotic, steaming pile of crap :P

      http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/linuxaudio.png
      Here's a more realistic picture:
      http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121855/pu...inux_audio.png

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      • #18
        That's looking more realistic.

        Would it be appropriate to have PulseAudio even with libao and Gstreamer? Or have the arrows enter it from the side? A lot of apps support it directly now, and in this chart it looks like it can't be accessed directly.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          You mean this? I can't stop laughing when I look at it. It's big, chaotic, steaming pile of crap :P

          http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/linuxaudio.png

          I can't stop laughing when I look at it, because it just shows how adobe guys are lame.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by benmoran View Post
            That's looking more realistic.

            Would it be appropriate to have PulseAudio even with libao and Gstreamer? Or have the arrows enter it from the side? A lot of apps support it directly now, and in this chart it looks like it can't be accessed directly.
            Here's the .flw file (made using Kivio): http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121855/pu...inux_audio.flw
            Feel free to improve it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by unimatrix View Post
              That is a lot more comprehensible. Thanks.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by unimatrix View Post
                Here's the .flw file (made using Kivio): http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121855/pu...inux_audio.flw
                Feel free to improve it.
                How about this? It is more complicated than yours, but also more detailed, while avoiding the hairiness (and sillyness) of the adobe version.

                http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/file/...x_audio_v2.png
                http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/file/...x_audio_v2.flw

                see also:
                http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the...dio-stack.html

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KellyClowers View Post
                  How about this? It is more complicated than yours, but also more detailed, while avoiding the hairiness (and sillyness) of the adobe version.

                  http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/file/...x_audio_v2.png
                  http://www.clowersnet.net/~krc/file/...x_audio_v2.flw

                  see also:
                  http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the...dio-stack.html
                  Nice, this is more informative (as in easy to read) than the Adobe one. Yet, to me it also shows that there is a too high level of redundancy.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sabriah View Post
                    Nice, this is more informative (as in easy to read) than the Adobe one. Yet, to me it also shows that there is a too high level of redundancy.
                    Very true. It isn't as bad as the Adobe one seemed to indicate, but there are issues.

                    I feel it will be a little better when libsydney is in use everywhere and Phonon uses gst by default. The PA/JACK duality will probably never go away, as they focus on some very different problems. However, the PA author remains optimistic about getting down to one sound server, pointing out that OS X and Windows Vista both have capable, modern sound systems that satisfy both casual users and pro-audio folks.

                    Even if we don't get down to one sound server, there is work going on to make JACK and PA coexist better.

                    There is a small, but seemingly growing, group of users and devs that want to replace ALSA with OSSv4, now that it is BSD/GPL/CDDL tri-licensed. They argue that OSSv4 has a better architecture, and a simpler, more friendly (but still powerful) external interface.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by sabriah View Post
                      I hope the title says it, I am bored to tears over all these audio standards.

                      I lost track over oss, alsa, phonon, pulseaudio, and what is wrapper for what and what is a wrapper for your neighbor's hot dog.

                      Yohoo, here comes yet another audio standard... Sigh.

                      Please, Michael, could you make an graphic overview of all audio standards released. And, which are associated with what, e.g. Gnome, KDE, xfce, etc.

                      I recall an interview with Mark Shuttleworth from a few months ago where he too thought it was a mess. And, this is harming Linux, I guess. Which standard should developers follow?! They tend to be not only incompatible but also conflicting.

                      I think iD software jumped on the "wrong" bandwagon several times. Linux software may die off, because of malnutrition.

                      Heeeellllp, I'm drowning in silence.
                      I bring this up again, as the same sentiment has been brought up elsewhere, and is a Slashdot article too at http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/0...ment?art_pos=9

                      I am not the only one who think it is, err... challenging.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sabriah View Post
                        Blank page for me.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                          Blank page for me.
                          This one works http://slashdot.org/submission/10105...ux-Development

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                          • #28
                            Great news. Wonder if ATI HD5000 CPUs will support this. And OpenCL too.

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