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    Phoronix: EFF Aims To Launch An Open Wireless Router

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation is today announcing a new Open Wireless Router initiative today at the HOPE X conference...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTc0NTU

  • #2
    Very appealing features for consumers, if only more people were computer (security) savvy

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    • #3
      Originally posted by EFF
      Allow small business and home users to easily enable an open network, so guests and passersby can get an Internet connection if they need one, while keeping a password-locked WPA2 network for themselves and their friends or coworkers
      Why will I want to share MY internet connection, which I am paying out of my own pocket, with strangers and passersby? Are they paying me for it? No? Then they can bugger off. My subscription, my exclusive use. Period.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
        Why will I want to share MY internet connection, which I am paying out of my own pocket, with strangers and passersby? Are they paying me for it? No? Then they can bugger off. My subscription, my exclusive use. Period.
        Some of us have flat-rate Internet service and some people in cities can spare a couple of megabits downstream. (eg. In many places, plans go up in increments of 10 or 15 megabits on the downstream side.)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
          Why will I want to share MY internet connection, which I am paying out of my own pocket, with strangers and passersby? Are they paying me for it? No? Then they can bugger off. My subscription, my exclusive use. Period.
          Because if you were out-and-about, wouldn't it be nice if you could get free wi-fi access to the internet?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
            Because if you were out-and-about, wouldn't it be nice if you could get free wi-fi access to the internet?
            That's the problem right there. People want free. Never mind that virtually all mobile phone plans come with bundled data, they rather piggyback off someone else's and get it for free instead of using their OWN paid-for data bundle.


            Originally posted by ssokolow
            Some of us have flat-rate Internet service and some people in cities can spare a couple of megabits downstream. (eg. In many places, plans go up in increments of 10 or 15 megabits on the downstream side.)
            And all you need is 1 joker to abuse it and everyone will start coming. Look at how many people cram Starbucks and eateries just for WiFi and order only the barest of items on the menu while hogging places that other legitimate diners are waiting for.

            I'm okay with sharing my WiFi with legitimate visitors that actually drop by to pay me a visit, but not to freeloaders who just camp out and piggyback on my wifi network. That's why I only turn on the 'Guest' access when i get actual visitors to my home, and turn it off once they leave.
            Last edited by Sonadow; 07-21-2014, 11:42 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
              That's the problem right there. People want free. Never mind that virtually all mobile phone plans come with bundled data, they rather piggyback off someone else's and get it for free instead of using their OWN paid-for data bundle.




              And all you need is 1 joker to abuse it and everyone will start coming. Look at how many people cram Starbucks and eateries just for WiFi and order only the barest of items on the menu while hogging places that other legitimate diners are waiting for.

              I'm okay with sharing my WiFi with legitimate visitors that actually drop by to pay me a visit, but not to freeloaders who just camp out and piggyback on my wifi network. That's why I only turn on the 'Guest' access when i get actual visitors to my home, and turn it off once they leave.
              I'm stuck on 5Mbit (countryside neighbourhood with a copper trunk to the Bell building) and prefer a multiply-locked-down WiFi that grants portable devices access to an otherwise purely wired internal network, so I behave the same way you do... but we're not representative of the whole world.
              Last edited by ssokolow; 07-21-2014, 11:51 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EFF
                - Provide state-of-the-art network queuing, so most users can expect an improved Internet experience—especially with latency-sensitive applications—compared to what commonly available consumer grade routers are delivering today.

                - Offer a minimalist, secure, and elegant Web user interface to set up and configure the router. Advanced, non-minimalist administrative options are accessible by SSH.
                These are really just the only things that are of interest to me.

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                • #9
                  the problem i see is that people just might do illegal things like filesharing via torrent. And YOU are going to be sued for not securing your network.

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                  • #10
                    - Offer a minimalist, secure, and elegant Web user interface to set up and configure the router. Advanced, non-minimalist administrative options are accessible by SSH.
                    That sounds useful. Can the networks companies start providing us with decent boxes? Mine won't do static IP assignment within the local network, making a home server impossible (dynamic DNS only solves the external IP being dynamic).

                    Originally posted by jakubo View Post
                    the problem i see is that people just might do illegal things like filesharing via torrent. And YOU are going to be sued for not securing your network.
                    Thankfully, that's not illegal here, but I'm still not sure if I'd want to share my connection with strangers.

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                    • #11
                      Let you share a bounded portion of your bandwidth on the open network, so guest users cannot slow down your Internet connection or use a large portion of your monthly quota.
                      I think you are missing *bounded* part of the proposal. I have 100mbps fiber. Would I even feel a blip if I shared 1mbps or 512kbps with neighbours that want to check their e-mail? Not really. So why not? It would be very nice if everyone did it.

                      For those in the "OMG GET A DATA PLAN". Erm... Not everyone lives in a place with cheap data plans? They certainly aren't cheap where I live, and lots of people don't have them.

                      It's strange to see such agressiveness in the comments towards sharing stuff because it's cool and people would appreciate it in a site about *linux* of all things...

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                      • #12
                        Are they going to make (or rather planning to make) an actual router, HW and everything, or is it just another router firmware.



                        FOSS hardware hasn't gone that well so far.

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                        • #13
                          My opinion is that we need a new class of metropolitan network that will kill all providers. I have seen mobile accessory antennas that can communicate in a distance of 80km with mediocre visibility between them and outdoor fixed point ones that can do that from 190km and all that relative cheap. As more beam like the antenna is, the better, the safer. As more to the Terahertz band, the same. I have seen antennas and chips that can communicate with GBps speed or lasers with TBps speed. I have seen early quantum encryption over them. That we need is a Libre Access Point that is on the road of what i describe. That can automatically connect with other many others at once, encrypted but without password, till the last backbone. Also a GPS like channel, independent from the data channel, so you can find your position without the danger to find you. An IP over IP service, lets say IPv7 like, for the early days when we will share our cable connection. So when I connect with your ADSL Libre Router - Access Point, i have my own IP via your ADSL connection, and not your IP. MAFIA tho, can sue you for my Torrent download, but you can prove your innocence. It's not in their favor if they don't want to admit the existence of my IP system.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
                            It's strange to see such agressiveness in the comments towards sharing stuff because it's cool and people would appreciate it in a site about *linux* of all things...
                            Indeed. Thankfully the hatred comes from a single person so far.

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                            • #15
                              Huh. There are plenty of open routers shipping with DD-WRT already, and even more routers flashable to DD-WRT without many issues. I'm not sure why the EFF would get involved with this...

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