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  • Logitech Isn't Yet Fully Supporting Linux

    Phoronix: Logitech Isn't Yet Fully Supporting Linux

    While more computer peripheral companies are paying attention to Linux -- especially gaming device related manufacturers -- in the age of Linux-based Steam Machines and SteamOS, not all are completely on-board quite yet. Logitech has shown some signs of Linux interest and support in the past, but they aren't yet committing to providing Linux support for all of their products...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTcyNTE

  • #2
    Logitech should make Linux software too

    I do enjoy a Logitech MX 1000 mice, it is old, but is the CHEAPER computer component i have bought, about 60 but it was payed in Spanish pesetas, in ECU times, far before the

    It stil works as wel as the first day, and except for battery indicator - no problem the mouse has a hardware one - I can use it as well in GNU than in MS WOS.

    i only miss Logitech software, it is a great suite, and stores different profiles etc. I would not use it, but why a linux user has not that product? I suppose in a near future, if Steam OS succeeds And i hope so a lot, we will have Logitech drivers and software

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    • #3
      Can someone tell me why in the windows world all of those little device utilities are closed source?

      Are there such important trade secrets in how to change the color of some LEDs?

      What would they actually lose if those drivers and utilities were fully open source?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
        Can someone tell me why in the windows world all of those little device utilities are closed source?

        Are there such important trade secrets in how to change the color of some LEDs?

        What would they actually lose if those drivers and utilities were fully open source?
        Indeed.

        Or why something like battery level monitoring is not a specified USB endpoint by now?

        Why invest all that money in custom software development if this can just be delegated to the operating system?

        Sometimes it seems that these primarily hardware vendors just like to waste money.

        Cheers,
        _

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        • #5
          Looks like the Roccat Tyon will be my next mouse.
          At least as long as they dont make the LR mouse buttons too sensitive.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
            Can someone tell me why in the windows world all of those little device utilities are closed source?
            Maybe because of this .

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists

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            • #7
              While not officially supporting linux they guy responsible for the hid_logitech_dj was more than helpful on a bug. Yes they can improve but they are not horrid as other MFGs.

              Roccat has this gaming aesthetic which spoils it for me.

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              • #8
                I highly recommend the XG-1 LED from Xtrfy, the keyboard is mechanical (cherry red) and has a ton of macro and led functions built into it, and unlike every other such keyboard it doesn't rely on win software to program it, you program it on the keyboard directly, thus ensuring complete linux support. Also, no win-logo keys =)

                EDIT: I suppose I could include url: http://xtrfy.com/product/xg1-r-led/

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                • #9
                  I don't know about the company (management), but the Linux engineer (Nestor) was certainly very helpful and even sent me some HID devices to play with.

                  Some documentation is already provided on Google Drive (see https://opensource.logitech.com/open...velopment_Kits). For those who do want to login with a Google account, a mirror of those documents can be located at https://lekensteyn.nl/files/logitech/, https://github.com/pwr/Solaar/tree/master/docs/logitech, etc.

                  David, feel free to contact me to look further into this. After finishing up examinations in two weeks, the holiday season starts :-)

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                  • #10
                    Logitech are nuts...

                    Well, Logitech are nuts. Idea to use windows to do something and then use Linux sounds silly. Are they going to pay me windows license, or what? If we translate it to Logitech back, its like idea to use some input devices from other vendor to get Logitech device working (and once we already have input device, why we need Logitech at all?).

                    Why I'm not happy with Logitech? Okay, there is LX7 mouse. And it would work under Linux. Upon first connection receiver knows no mices, so it would pair with first one you use. Then it would work. But I managed to encounter trouble on my way. The issue is that my mouse somehow unpaired from receiver. Likely because I used it with another computer and another receiver. Now where stupid part comes. There is no way to pair that crap in forced manner under Linux. Technically their receiver seems to use protocol resembling Unifying receivers but while it generally understands some commands of Unifying receiver, it does not supports many of them and seems to be earlier/partial flavour of similar protocol. So there is no way to pair mouse back to it receiver. Older receivers had hardware button to do so, it has been convenient, fast and worked in OS-independent way. But newer receivers lack pairing button and LX7 is "new enough" to lack that button on receiver part. Yet it "old enough" to fail to fully understand unifying receiver protocol, so most of tools are half-working at very best. And never able to initiate pairing sequence to degree it would actually work. Needless to say, such Linux support from Logitech suxx. Maybe they should at least publish protocol details?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
                      There is no way to pair that crap in forced manner under Linux. Technically their receiver seems to use protocol resembling Unifying receivers but while it generally understands some commands of Unifying receiver, it does not supports many of them and seems to be earlier/partial flavour of similar protocol. So there is no way to pair mouse back to it receiver. [..] Yet it "old enough" to fail to fully understand unifying receiver protocol, so most of tools are half-working at very best. And never able to initiate pairing sequence to degree it would actually work. Needless to say, such Linux support from Logitech suxx. Maybe they should at least publish protocol details?
                      Is it the same "Mini receiver" as in https://github.com/pwr/Solaar/issues/109? The Logitech protocol on top of USB HID is HID++, if the wireless link supports the other devices, then pairing should be possible by sending the right commands. You might be able to use ltunify for that purpose.

                      Documentation is available, see https://lekensteyn.nl/files/logitech/ for some. The PR people obviously know nothing technically, you can't really blame them for their ignorance. Fact is that may companies (Logitech included) are still too Windows-oriented. Sometimes you got lucky and hit the right technical support person, at that moment you can learn a lot about it.

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                      • #12
                        I hate all their utilities and stupid closed USB protocol commands. No manufacturer is different on this matter, at least when we talk about gaming gear.

                        On the other hand their hardware usually is high quality.

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                        • #13
                          I recently made the mistake of trying to replace my Roccat Kone[+] with a Logitech G500s. It did NOT work as good. I quickly changed back, and I'm now in the process of RMA:ing the Logitech. Ordered a Roccat Kone XTD instead, it was on sale so the price was the same.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lekensteyn View Post
                            Is it the same "Mini receiver" as in https://github.com/pwr/Solaar/issues/109? The Logitech protocol on top of USB HID is HID++, if the wireless link supports the other devices, then pairing should be possible by sending the right commands. You might be able to use ltunify for that purpose.

                            Documentation is available, see https://lekensteyn.nl/files/logitech/ for some. The PR people obviously know nothing technically, you can't really blame them for their ignorance. Fact is that may companies (Logitech included) are still too Windows-oriented. Sometimes you got lucky and hit the right technical support person, at that moment you can learn a lot about it.
                            1) No, its not the same "mini receiver". See below.for more details (at least device ID mismatch).
                            2) It seems to talk some protocol quite similar to HID++ but it likely to be "predecessor" or so. Software expecting HID++ can get some replies from receiver. For example, it would return something sensible about software version. But, say, bootloader version would not be returned correctly (probably command not handled correctly by ancient subflavor of protocol?). Some software can get battery status. But pairing does not works. So HID++ documentation is nice. But this appears to be some older device which isn't fully compliant with these specs.
                            3) I think I can blame support/PR for being retarded and failing to get idea Windows license costs some extra bucks and/or not the most welcomed way to solve problem (for these nuts I translated answer into terms they can understand: its like offering to buy someone's else HID device just to get Logitech device working).

                            Receiver appears as:

                            ID 046d:c51b Logitech, Inc. V220 Cordless Optical Mouse for Notebooks
                            Device Descriptor:
                            bLength 18
                            bDescriptorType 1
                            bcdUSB 1.10
                            bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)
                            bDeviceSubClass 0
                            bDeviceProtocol 0
                            bMaxPacketSize0 8
                            idVendor 0x046d Logitech, Inc.
                            idProduct 0xc51b V220 Cordless Optical Mouse for Notebooks
                            bcdDevice 46.00
                            iManufacturer 1 Logitech
                            iProduct 2 USB Receiver
                            iSerial 0
                            bNumConfigurations 1

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
                              Indeed.

                              Or why something like battery level monitoring is not a specified USB endpoint by now?

                              Why invest all that money in custom software development if this can just be delegated to the operating system?

                              Sometimes it seems that these primarily hardware vendors just like to waste money.

                              Cheers,
                              _
                              They drop support for older products which pisses me off. I had an older (okay very old) MX100. A very heavy and large radio mouse that was just a pain in the arse to get working in newer Windows. I undestand dropping support sometimes, but seriously, a mouse with 6 buttons?

                              Meh, Logitech costs to much for what you get in my opinion.

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