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  • #46
    All manufacturers make good and bad products (except maybe Packard Bell which I found were universally bad in the USA). I have Logitech wireless keyboards and mice that were flimsy and broke. I have a M510 mouse and speakers that have been rather good and an Attack 3 joystick that didn't last long. HP scanners that lasted decades and printers that lasted only a few months. Many Tripp Lite and APC UPSs that seem to have a pre-determined death date (even with new batteries) while Belkin and CyberPower have been very reliable. I've had major name brand equipment fail early with little use and cheap OEM junk last so long I was reluctant to part with it in spite of obsolescence.

    I don't have a problem in general with M$ hardware but I really hate their keyboard designs. I'm currently using an eMachines OEM keyboard but may replace it with a full mechanical keyboard in the future. The best I've used was a Northgate OmniKey and a Keytronics FlexPro (weird ergonomic contraption but I got used to it).

    M$ mice don't impress me much and some of the Logitech models have proven to be fragile. I'm not picky and I notice a bad mouse much more than a good mouse. I often just use whatever is handy.

    I've used many different Nvidia, AMD/ATI, and Intel video devices and some are useless on Linux while others are perfect. I've has similar results on Windows depending on the age of the hardware. Manufacturers usually have drivers for the current versions of Windows for all of their current hardware. Linux often has better drivers for older hardware but some devices are poorly supported regardless of age due to lack of manufacturer interest. But before I switched to Linux I recycled many devices over the years due to a lack of updated Windows drivers. Dial-up (POTS) softmodems were really irritating in that regard. Compare that to Ethernet NICs which often still come with MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers.

    Pro gamers often use wired mice to avoid lag and interference during competitions. With keyboards they are primarily concerned about configuration and n-key rollover support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_%28key%29

    Hopefully more advanced/gaming HIDs will be supported in the future due to Steam.

    Regarding M$, Sony, etc. - large companies often have some divisions which are good and others that are evil or incompetent.

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    • #47
      By the way, kinda on topic, what site would you recommend to get and give recommendations on linux hardware support?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by erendorn View Post
        By the way, kinda on topic, what site would you recommend to get and give recommendations on linux hardware support?
        There are sites that attempt to track it across all distributions, and some distributions have their own test report pages. However, these are often outdated. I find more relevant info on the review pages of stores (like Newegg) and make it a point to post Linux-related product reviews on the sites I buy hardware from.

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        • #49
          Jesus Christ... Look at this place. I leave home for a couple of days and look what happens?

          At the request of an interested third party (who shall remain nameless) who got sick and tired of seeing you three hiss and snap at eachother like territorial dogs, I'm stepping in, in whatever capacity i can....

          Sonadow.... you shouldn't have sent that PM. Way out of line, and way un-necessary.

          Dee.... you shouldn't have posted that PM. Its a "Private Message" for a reason. Want to yell at him for it? Good, do it in private.

          GreatEmerald....you're actually be fairly levelheaded...keep it up.

          Dee, you care about Microsoft's business practices and want to make a stand. Sonadow, you want your hardware to just work and have the best that you can have. Sorry guys, but you two ARENT gonna agree, EVER. You two may as well be arguing Democrats vs Republicans (for the non-US readers.. Liberals vs Conservatives).

          The name-calling and harassment though, HAS TO stop. If I was in this conversation earlier BOTH of you would've been reported for harassment, but i figure the time has come and gone. This thread is over, I'd be locking it if I had Moderator rights, its been hijacked enough and taken WAY off base and off topic. Enough is enough guys. You want to rip into eachother? Fine, do it in private. Keep it out of everyone else''s forum updates and inboxs. And if you DONT care enough to do it in private, then just drop it completely. Its really not worth it, and this dick-measuring competition that seems to be going on is getting old fast.

          If anyone wants to be all like "You're not our mother," "You're not responsible for us" or anything close to that.... I got pulled into this by a member of the community who was sick and tired of this flame war. Why? I'm not sure, but you're apparently pissing off enough OTHER people that they care. So knock it off before the ACTUAL Moderators get involved in this and put a more abrupt and poignant end to this whole thing.
          Last edited by Ericg; 04-30-2013, 03:12 AM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ericg View Post
            Jesus Christ... Look at this place. I leave home for a couple of days and look what happens?
            You're a bit too late, actually, the flame war ended 6 posts ago. Now let's not derail the thread further, shall we?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
              You're a bit too late, actually, the flame war ended 6 posts ago. Now let's not derail the thread further, shall we?
              The flamewar is never over with you guys -.- These boards are like trying to herd cats.
              Last edited by Ericg; 04-30-2013, 10:03 AM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                The amount of money the tobacco and oil companies have contributed to drive the global economy can outclass just about any other industry. By your 'holier than thou' standards, those industries deserve to close shop because they are unethical. Typical selfish thinking.
                Sonadow accusing someone of selfish thinking....


                Priceless....


                dee. thanks for posting and for the values you stand, mate!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                  Dee.... you shouldn't have posted that PM. Its a "Private Message" for a reason. Want to yell at him for it? Good, do it in private.
                  Hehe, I find it kind of ironic that you post this on Phoronix, of all places... because it seems to me that Phoronix has a rich tradition of publishing private communications...

                  But yeah, I mainly did it to discourage people from sending me low-blow ad hominem insults over the pm, then acting all holier-than-thou on the forums, because that's really a type of behaviour I can't stand... if it's unreasonable, someone can just delete the post from the forums or whatever, I don't mind. And, of course, if I have acted against the rules of this forum, I'm willing to receive whatever punishment the moderation deems necessary.

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                  • #54
                    If you're the recipient, you're allowed to publish any communication. That's the law in the EU.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                      That I have to agree. Yesterday I was out shopping for a replacement keyboard + mouse after having accidentally dumped a whole pitcher of water over my existing hardware and spent some time comparing between a Logitech wireless combo package and a Microsoft wireless combo package. (it did not kill the keyboard but I just wanted to have an excuse to get a new keyboard...)

                      The Microsoft set had a bigger keyboard with higher keys that provided much better 'squishiness' than the Logitech and its mouse was both larger and had a higher curvature than the tiny mouse offered by the Logitech package. And the Microsoft set cost only about $4 - 5 more than the Logitech set. Twas a no brainer; picked the Microsoft set without any further hesitation.
                      We have very different ideas of what makes a good keyboard. I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard since my apple wired AL mini keyboard died. I have no use for a number pad at home, and hate full stroke keys. I really like the good thinkpad keyboards and these apple keyboards were the closest thing I could find.

                      As for the mice, i know at least all of the keypresses will work in linux when i buy a logitech product. Sure the gaming keyboards with the screens are one thing, but a simple 9 button mouse works just fine.

                      If I ever start playing RPGMMOs again, I'll likely look at the gaming pad that logitech has, as it should be better supported than belkin's nastromo.

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