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  • Wacom Tablet Support Might Be Axed From Qt 5

    Phoronix: Wacom Tablet Support Might Be Axed From Qt 5

    While Wacom tablets command most of the graphics tablet market-share, within the open-source Qt world it seems not many people actually care about these input devices. Wacom support -- after being pressed by many long-standing open bugs -- is being talked about for removal from Qt 5.0...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE3OTU

  • #2
    The usual conundrum of no dev being able to draw (and thus owning a tablet) and no artist being able to code.

    FWIW, it seems it's not much more rosy on the gtk side, with tablets being broken in gimp 2.8 with gtk2 I hear.

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    • #3
      I just don't really understand how it breaks so easy. How do they not realize by now the things that would cause breakage after every release? To me, that's like cooking on the stove and you somehow keep forgetting to not put your hand on the surface, so you just decide to use the microwave instead.


      Anyways, considering that not many people have these tablets and even less of these people use linux, I'm surprised there was ever support for them to begin with. TBH, I'm not really sure what programs even take advantage of their advanced features. While I'm not saying that support should be removed, I don't see who really needs it ATM. I feel like if the Adobe suite were to be ported to linux, then these drivers should get more attention.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
        I just don't really understand how it breaks so easy. How do they not realize by now the things that would cause breakage after every release? To me, that's like cooking on the stove and you somehow keep forgetting to not put your hand on the surface, so you just decide to use the microwave instead.


        Anyways, considering that not many people have these tablets and even less of these people use linux, I'm surprised there was ever support for them to begin with. TBH, I'm not really sure what programs even take advantage of their advanced features. While I'm not saying that support should be removed, I don't see who really needs it ATM. I feel like if the Adobe suite were to be ported to linux, then these drivers should get more attention.
        Regardless of how many people actually use linux creative tools (gimp inkscape etc) support for popular devices like wacom tablets is a must if you want these programs -and linux- to gain traction.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
          Regardless of how many people actually use linux creative tools (gimp inkscape etc) support for popular devices like wacom tablets is a must if you want these programs -and linux- to gain traction.
          I agree completely.

          Allthough I have to add that removing wacom support from Qt does not mean there is no wacom support at all in Linux. You can still use Xinput directly to access these devices. It's not as comfortable as having native (& cross-plattform compatible) support from your toolkkit, but it works.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
            Regardless of how many people actually use linux creative tools (gimp inkscape etc) support for popular devices like wacom tablets is a must if you want these programs -and linux- to gain traction.
            I agree and have thought of this myself, but then I realized that commercial creative tools would have been ported by now if anyone seriously cared. The wacom drivers have been around for a very long time in a linux perspective. These tablets aren't a necessity for creative tools to be ported, but creative tools are a necessity for these tablets to have a reason to be maintained. If linux just keeps the bare minimum support for these tablets (meaning, they can at least be used as pointer devices), then I feel like that's all that really matters until something professional comes along.

            I have no problem with anyone feeling the need to keep these drivers fully up-to-date with all features that Windows offers, but I don't blame anyone for not wanting to do it when there's almost nobody using them for their intended purposes.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              Anyways, considering that not many people have these tablets and even less of these people use linux, I'm surprised there was ever support for them to begin with. TBH, I'm not really sure what programs even take advantage of their advanced features. While I'm not saying that support should be removed, I don't see who really needs it ATM. I feel like if the Adobe suite were to be ported to linux, then these drivers should get more attention.
              I think Krita may have been getting some use from artistic types, though that's presumably not going to last if Qt stops supporting tablets altogether.

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              • #8
                also

                MyPaint uses it.



                QT and GNOME think they are major players similar to Microsoft. All they will do is drive people away.

                I use a Wacom tablet.

                Back in the 90's free software complained how Microsoft was buggy and crashed basically all the time.
                It's 2012, why is Xwindows/Kde/Gnome crashing all the time.

                "Neopunk crashed unexpectedly"

                "Some application quit unexpectedly, send bug report?"

                I keep looking for the message, "Mistakes were made." ala Call of Duty - Black Op's.

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                • #9
                  Idiots. Why talk about destroying something already 99% of the work is done.

                  I use a Wacom Bamboo to draw and sketch for design concepts, and it works perfectly with MyPaint.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                    Idiots. Why talk about destroying something already 99% of the work is done.

                    I use a Wacom Bamboo to draw and sketch for design concepts, and it works perfectly with MyPaint.
                    In, isn't mypaint using gtk?
                    BTW, inkscape works fine with a tablet.

                    It will be interesting to see what happens with krita.

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                    • #11
                      Hmm, what does this support add, if the tablets can be used as pointers anyway?

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                      • #12
                        I have to ask, like e8hffff I have a Wacom Bamboo (touch) and it works perfectly, I can use it the second I enter X, I can also use the xsetwacom command to adjust alot of properties etc. Now my question is what exactly does the Wacom support Qt and GTK have to provide relate too? From what I gather the driver and input interface is handled by the kernel/X.

                        And although the programs I use with my Wacom won't be affected by this (MyPaint, Inkscape, Gimp and Blender), like someone else mentioned KDE does have Krita which seems like a nice drawing program which would became much less useful should it lack Wacom support.

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                        • #13
                          the future

                          If QT is the framework used in the future, no tablets are supported in the future? Let's say Adobe plans to port Photoshop to Linux (which seems rather... unlikely at the moment), they can't use QT?

                          I use Blender, Gimp, Mypaint AND .... Krita, with my wacom tablet on ... Kubuntu Linux. If they remove support for tablets, Linux will never be a full replacement to Windows. (don't get me wrong, I've been using Linux for everything, full time, for 6 years now).
                          Just recently Krita became a great platform for drawing, a program with a lot of potential. Something that really seems professional.
                          Now support for tablets is planned to be dropped?

                          If that happens Krita will become unusable, which is rather unbearable for me. That means new software on Linux becomes less powerful for me, a Linux user.
                          So much work has gone into development of Krita...

                          I am not the only one. I personally know 3 other people (friends), who use Kubuntu, with Wacom tablets, because of me recommending it :/.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                            Hmm, what does this support add, if the tablets can be used as pointers anyway?
                            A unified interface over all plattforms for pressure support.

                            Being able to use your tablet as a pointer is only one aspect, having pressure support like with a real pencil is the more important feature.

                            Even if Qt drops Wacom support you will still be able to access these devices, but then you will have to do it manually using the X11 interface. Compared to proper support by the toolkit, the X11 interface is a pain in the ass, as it only provides low level access.

                            Dropping Wacom support is a huge mistake as it will drive away the few professional artists we have on the Linux plattform. Who will do all the artwork for OSS projects in the future? Linux is already lacking artists who are willing to participate in OSS development. If you take away their tools, there will be even less.

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                            • #15
                              All right, but then why is it so difficult to support it, if it's just an abstraction layer? It shouldn't break so much and definitely shouldn't interfere with other parts of Qt...

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