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  • #16
    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    All right, but then why is it so difficult to support it, if it's just an abstraction layer?
    I don't think it's difficult (at least the Linux side isn't), it seems to be a lack of manpower. No one is willing to implement it and (more important) no one is willing to test it on each Qt release.

    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    It shouldn't break so much and definitely shouldn't interfere with other parts of Qt...
    I agree.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Temar View Post
      Dropping Wacom support is a huge mistake as it will drive away the few professional artists we have on the Linux plattform. Who will do all the artwork for OSS projects in the future? Linux is already lacking artists who are willing to participate in OSS development. If you take away their tools, there will be even less.
      Ehh, this just applies to Qt right? Inkscape, MyPaint and Gimp all rely on GTK, and while I've heard nice things about Krita I'd say both Gimp (obviously) and MyPaint has a larger userbase. Obvously that doesn't mean this is a good thing, just hardly something that will 'drive away the few artists' as it only affects Krita.

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      • #18
        Meh, Linux DEs don't even support ICC profiles, you have to set them per application. You have to be pretty masochistic to choose Linux for serious graphics work in the first place.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bug77 View Post
          Meh, Linux DEs don't even support ICC profiles, you have to set them per application. You have to be pretty masochistic to choose Linux for serious graphics work in the first place.
          Isn't this what colord is trying to solve?? I don't know how much its integrated in DEs other than Gnome though.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
            Ehh, this just applies to Qt right? Inkscape, MyPaint and Gimp all rely on GTK, and while I've heard nice things about Krita I'd say both Gimp (obviously) and MyPaint has a larger userbase. Obvously that doesn't mean this is a good thing, just hardly something that will 'drive away the few artists' as it only affects Krita.
            http://www.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.8.html

            GIMP 2.8 relies on a newer version of GTK+2 that unfortunately has partially broken support for graphics tablets such as Wacom. If your graphic tablet doesn't work in GIMP 2.8 as it should, we recommend downgrading to 2.6 until we release GIMP 3.0 that relies on GTK+3 which has fully functional support for advanced input devices.


            I really hope Gimp 3.0 won't take as long as 2.8....

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            • #21
              Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
              Regardless of how many people actually use linux creative tools (gimp inkscape etc) support for popular devices like wacom tablets is a must if you want these programs -and linux- to gain traction.
              Originally posted by curaga View Post
              The usual conundrum of no dev being able to draw (and thus owning a tablet) and no artist being able to code.
              Nicely put.
              I have a tablet that I use from time to time and it would be sad if things stopped working. The question is, can Wacom do something about it or is it a pure matter of Qt or GTK?
              And when the wacoms are broken then probably the others are too.

              And it is not even just krita, GIMP or inkscape which would benefit from working tablets, these newer tablets can also act like touchpads.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Temar View Post
                http://www.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.8.html
                GIMP 2.8 relies on a newer version of GTK+2 that unfortunately has partially broken support for graphics tablets such as Wacom. If your graphic tablet doesn't work in GIMP 2.8 as it should, we recommend downgrading to 2.6 until we release GIMP 3.0 that relies on GTK+3 which has fully functional support for advanced input devices.
                Guess I've lucked out then as I've had zero problems with my Wacom Bamboo Touch in Gimp or any other program, still it's good that you can use 2.6 should you have problems while waiting for gimp 3.0.

                Originally posted by Adarion View Post
                And it is not even just krita, GIMP or inkscape which would benefit from working tablets, these newer tablets can also act like touchpads.
                To be honest I never use my Wacom as a touchpad even though it's touted as 'touch', I use it in painting programs and Blender for 3d sculpting, I actually turn off 'touch' when I use it by issuing the 'xwatcom set touch off' command as it just gets in the way for me.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                  Meh, Linux DEs don't even support ICC profiles, you have to set them per application. You have to be pretty masochistic to choose Linux for serious graphics work in the first place.
                  http://www.oyranos.org/2011/11/kde-a...ur-management/

                  http://www.oyranos.org/2011/11/colou...opensuse-12-1/

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                  • #24
                    Nice. It should be included by default, but it seems things have improved a lot since I have last checked.

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                    • #25
                      "Nice. It should be included by default, but it seems things have improved a lot since I have last checked. "
                      Yeah. I don't care about ICC personally, but I was real surprised to see all this color management suddenly show up in the newest Ubuntu release or two. I didn't think anyone was working on it, except right in the Gimp. Then -- bam! There it is.

                      As for tablet support -- it'd be a real shame to lose pressure support. But, that said, some of the Qt stuff IS quite broken -- the multitouch was causing Qt to crash every time I tried to run any X app on a remote X server -- I had to downgrade Qt for it to work. And I don't even have a single touchpad or tablet on the local or remote system in question. The number of paid Qt developers has been slashed, the remaining programmers can only do so much. If this stuff's 99% done, someone's welcome to finish it but I think disabling it until it works (if not feature-complete, at least not causing other failures) is the right thing to do.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                        Nice. It should be included by default, but it seems things have improved a lot since I have last checked.
                        http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-color-manager/

                        Just for the sake of completion. And yes, it's in by default.

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                        • #27
                          I had some major issues with the latest Ubuntu 12.04.

                          MyPaint upon selecting a tool wouldn't draw.

                          So I don't know if it was GTK3 or X., or Unity/compiz...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by r1348 View Post
                            http://projects.gnome.org/gnome-color-manager/

                            Just for the sake of completion. And yes, it's in by default.
                            If only I wasn't using KDE... It seems there are no PPAs available, you have to compile from source. Not that big of a deal, someone determined to use it will use it. But like I said, some finishing touches are still missing. Hell, it should be made part of KDE anyway.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                              If only I wasn't using KDE... It seems there are no PPAs available, you have to compile from source. Not that big of a deal, someone determined to use it will use it. But like I said, some finishing touches are still missing. Hell, it should be made part of KDE anyway.
                              Is there are special reason why you want to use the gnome color management system? Why not use the one from KDE?

                              For the KDE color management system, there are ubuntu packages available: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package...getdeb/oyranos

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                                If only I wasn't using KDE...
                                ...
                                Hell, it should be made part of KDE anyway.
                                it is:
                                http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/03/...-1-0-released/

                                I've got it here default on 4.8 on fedora.

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